My argument for the death penalty...

[Loki]

Actually, the guillotine was specifically designed to provide an instantaneous, painless, form of execution. The problem here is not with what the criminal feels, but what squeamish observers think, and wring their hands about.

I've always wondered about that. How do we know that getting your head chopped off is painless? Has anyone asked the head really quickly before it died? Has anyone ever survived a guillotine accident or come back from the dead after getting their head chopped off?
As far as anybody knows a guillotine could be the worst form of execution and the most painful. It just happens to be relatively quick.

 

[Hopper]

Loki, some guy, way back when, told his homey that if he could see, think, or feel anything, he would wink after his sorry head hit the basket. Didn't happen. True story, dat.

 

[Hopper]

If I seen some guy gitz guillotined I would probably only be thinkin one thang, to wit:

I'm glad it's his ***, there, not mine.

 

[sirkickyass]

Loki, some guy, way back when, told his homey that if he could see, think, or feel anything, he would wink after his sorry head hit the basket. Didn't happen. True story, dat.

All evidence regarding how long it takes somone to die or the amount of pain inflicted through the guillotine is inherently speculative and/or anecdotal.

For example one 1905 account discusses the impression that the severed head could still hear its name being called and respond through eye-movement.

https://www.guillotine.dk/Pages/30sek.html

Another, probably more apocryphal, instance describes a reaction to physical stimuli after the severing of the head.

After her decapitation, a man named Legros lifted her head from the basket and slapped it on the cheek. Witnesses report an expression of "unequivocal indignation" on her face when her cheek was slapped. This slap was considered unacceptable and Legros was imprisoned for three months because of his outburst.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Corday

 

[billyshelby]

Ya know, sumtimes I get to wonderin: Is the PC indoctrination so strong these here days that people will say anything they think they're "supposed" to say, even when they don't believe it for one second? Ya remember that fool, wuzzhizname, Dukakis, or sumthin, who ran for Pres a while back?

When axxed, he said he would not want to see someone who raped and strangled his wife and daughters git the death penalty. He lost all hope for election the second he said it, of course. Zup wit dat?

“That we should practice what we preach is generally admitted; but anyone who preaches what he and his hearers practice must incur the gravest moral disapprobation.” (Sumperv)

A simple question: When your son is falsely convicted for the 'strangulation of someone's wife and daughters,' do you accept his being put to death as an unfortunate by-product of the death penalty?

(Cue the evade and obfuscate response to distort the language without actually addressing the question)

 

[Hopper]

Well, Kicky, if ya wanna go quotin wiki, ya coulda throwed this in, eh?

"At worst, it seems that the massive drop in cerebral blood pressure would cause a victim to lose consciousness in several seconds.[17]

17. Excerpt from British Medical Journal, Vol 294: February, 1987, quoting Proges Medical of 9 July 1886, on the subject of research into "living heads".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

 

[Hopper]

A simple question: When your son is falsely convicted for the 'strangulation of someone's wife and daughters,' do you accept his being put to death as an unfortunate by-product of the death penalty?

I thought you were "out," Biley, without even havin the courtesy to leave me a red rep hit in your wake, eh? Probably aint nuthin good that don't carry some "unfortunate by-products" with them, ya know? I mean, like, eat yourself a big-*** steak dinner and, before long, it aint nuthin but a steamin pile of crap, ya know? That can't be the onliest question to ax. Cars can, and have been, used to murder peoples. Should we therefore ban all cars, or what?

 

[billyshelby]

I thought you were "out," Biley, without even havin the courtesy to leave me a red rep hit in your wake, eh? Probably aint nuthin good that don't carry some "unfortunate by-products" with them, ya know? I mean, like, eat yourself a big-*** steak dinner and, before long, it aint nuthin but a steamin pile of crap, ya know? That can't be the onliest question to ax. Cars can, and have been, used to murder peoples. Should we therefore ban all cars, or what?

That's what I expected.

 

[Hopper]

That's what I expected.

Glad I didn't disappoint ya, then, eh, Biley? Just outta curiousity, do you teach 2nd grade or sumthin? Are you used to pronouncin the "right" answer, refusin to discuss the matter, and callin any kid who questions your infallibility an "idiot," that it?

 

[billyshelby]

Glad I didn't disappoint ya, then, eh, Biley? Just outta curiousity, do you teach 2nd grade or sumthin? Are you used to pronouncin the "right" answer, refusin to discuss the matter, and callin any kid who questions your infallibility an "idiot," that it?

I have no idea what you're talking about. But let me give you a little tip I give to my second graders: Try making a point. Here's a handy little guide I've come up with: "My name is aint. And I think _______."

 

[sirkickyass]

Well, Kicky, if ya wanna go quotin wiki, ya coulda throwed this in, eh?

"At worst, it seems that the massive drop in cerebral blood pressure would cause a victim to lose consciousness in several seconds.[17]

17. Excerpt from British Medical Journal, Vol 294: February, 1987, quoting Proges Medical of 9 July 1886, on the subject of research into "living heads".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

Sure, as I wrote before the wiki account I discussed was probably apocryphal.

I don't think your quote actually disproves Loki's point though, that we're really guessing and speculating. Even the language you've quoted above is couched in the language of "it seems that" etc. That's not necessarily exactly inconsistent with the 1905 account I cited to.

 

[Hopper]

Biley, no one gives a rat's *** what I think, or you think, or what anyone else "thinks" so far as blurting out your conclusions goes. The only thing that might be of some interest is your reasons for thinking what you do, and the validity or invalidity of those reasons.

 

[Hopper]

I don't think your quote actually disproves Loki's point though, that we're really guessing and speculating. Even the language you've quoted above is couched in the language of "it seems that" etc. That's not necessarily exactly inconsistent with the 1905 account I cited to.

Well, naw, it aint, but it's goin too damn far to say it is "inherently speculative" if ya ax me. Peoples (not my ***) who know anatomy and stuff like that good should autta have a good idea of how soon ya might lose consciousness, and things like that, doncha think?

 

[sirkickyass]

Well, naw, it don't, but it's goin to damn far too say it is "inherently speculative" if ya ax me. Peoples (not my ***) who know anatomy and stuff like that good should autta have a good idea of how soon ya might lose consciousness, and things like that, doncha think?

It is inherently speculative. It's not like they're conducting empirical tests where they cut people's heads off while measuring their blood pressure and the electrical signals in their brain and then correlating that to a pain survey.

In reality, no one (that's living) has any idea what it feels like to have a sharp blade go all the way through your neck. We can hazard guesses based upon things that we know and can measure (the effect of blood pressure drops, severing of other limbs, etc etc) but fundamentally an educated guess is still, inherently, a guess.

Since you like quotes to end your posts:

"Tiger got to hunt.
Bird got to fly.
Man got to
sit and wonder
"Why, Why, Why?"
Tiger got to sleep.
Bird got to land.
Man got to
tell himself
he understand."

 

[Hopper]

Well, if ya wanna call an informed expert opinion a "guess," Kicky, then go right on ahead witcho bad self.

 

[Hopper]

In reality, no one (that's living) has any idea what it feels like to have a sharp blade go all the way through your neck.

No one knows what it dont feel like, neither. I gotta homey who done cut three of his fingers clean off with a circular saw, and didn't even know it happened til he seen them layin in the dirt after a spell.

 

[sirkickyass]

Well, if ya wanna call an informed expert opinion a "guess," Kicky, then go right on ahead witcho bad self.

By the same token, there is no reason to pretend that you know something when you are in fact, or at least should be, uncertain.

“The trouble with the world is not that people know too little, but that they know so many things that ain't so.” (Mark Twain)

So what's it gonna be?

 

[Hopper]

I aint claimed to know nuthin. But I spect there are peoples with more schoolin than me who might know them kinda thangs.

 

[LiemD]

I'd rather get killed by a firing squad then injected by a needle...I am all for Capital Punishment! I've been watching too much "locked up" on National Geographic...Some of these prisoners are MONSTERS and they SHOULD get shot instead of spending our tax money

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I'd rather get killed by a firing squad then injected by a needle...I am all for Capital Punishment! I've been watching too much "locked up" on National Geographic...Some of these prisoners are MONSTERS and they SHOULD get shot instead of spending our tax money

You know seeking the death penalty and the actual execution costs more than incarcerating a prisoner for life right?

I would choose the most graphic execution for myself possible. Probably being drawn and quartered. But that would be if I agreed with state sponsored killing.