My argument for the death penalty...

[billyshelby]

Is locking one innocent person up for life an acceptable cost? Nobuddy should ever be punished for anything, I figure, because, who knows, they could actually be innocent.

Stupid argument. While it is obviously abhorrent that someone would be locked up for life unjustly (and many already are), they at least have the continued opportunity to prove their innocence, or the time for facts to come out which would clear them of the charges. That's not a goal, but it's at least acceptable on some level. Killing them and finding out later they were innocent is never acceptable.

 

[Hopper]

That's not a goal, but it's at least acceptable on some level.

Acceptable to you, sure, cause it aint your *** in the Big House.

 

[billyshelby]

Acceptable to you, sure, cause it aint your *** in the Big House.

Still a stupid argument, unless you're trying some tricky way to get into another argument about whether "Life Without the Possibility of Parole" is just. But like all your stupid posts, you never just come out and say anything directly. So let me rephrase--if YOU were the sacrificial lamb, I might have to change my mind.

 

[Hopper]

I've known a lot of peoples who died by accident. Car accidents, huntin accidents, gittin drunk and fallin offa cliff accidents, you name it. My only comment on that is this here:

It's UNACCEPTABLE.

 

[Gameface]

The problems I have with capital punishment have nothing to do with any concern for the suffering of murderers.

In order for me to support capital punishment the process used to determine guilt would have to be almost perfect. I'd say less than one in 10,000 chance that an innocent person could be put to death. I'd bet we're currently wrong more than 1% of the time. That's a bald guess, but I know that mistakes are made, and innocent people are convicted. So for me, I don't support the death penalty because I don't support the possibility of innocent people being killed by our government in my name.

If there was a difference in the safety provided to society by killing vs imprisoning my standard would be much lower.

I also dislike the idea of hiring people to kill a person who has been pacified. It seems like a contradiction to me.

 

[billyshelby]

I've knowm a lot of peoples who died by accident. Car accidents, huntin accidents, gittin drunk and fallin offa cliff accidents, you name it. My only comment on that is this here:

It's UNACCEPTABLE.

I'm not getting sucked into your vortex of rhetoric. If you choose to answer a question, or make anything other than a cryptic point, I might waste a minute of my life responding to it. But you obviously know we can limit how much we participate in the accidents of the universe.

 

[Stifle Tower]

And you don't think actually bein conscious when they inject ya aint pure, unmitigated TORTURE!?

You're aware that a "cocktail" is used, right?
First drug admnistered knocks you out, just like anesthesia before surgery. Then the paralyzing drug is injected to stop breathing followed by a toxic agent to stop electrical signals (i.e. induce a heart attack).

The process of lethal injection mimics what happens when someone "dies in their sleep." So no, it is NOT torture.

 

[Hopper]

Lemme know when you refuse to drive a car anymore because you refuse take any possible chance of "participating" in an accident, there, eh, Biley? Then I might believe ya.

 

[billyshelby]

Lemme know when you refuse to drive a car anymore because you refuse take any possible chance of "participating" in an accident, there, eh, Biley? Then I might believe ya.

You're an idiot. I'm out.

 

[Hopper]

You're an idiot. I'm out.

Don't forget to gimme a red rep hit, now, hear?

 

[billyshelby]

Don't forget to gimme a red rep hit, now, hear?

Never given anyone a negative rep and never will.

 

[Hopper]

Never given anyone a negative rep and never will.

Well, OK, then! That's respectable, at least. I've never given one either....well, except to you, of course.

 

[Scat]

There is no doubt that Gardner did what he is being executed for. I have no problem with it. And if he suffers a bit during the process so be it.

 

[Hopper]

The age old moral question with the death penalty will always hold... No one has ever been able to answer this question satisfactorily. Locking someone up for life is punishment enough, and its the cost of doing business in civilized society.

Well, I dunno bout yawl, but I'm sho nuff glad Biley came into enlighten me. I never knew that "age-old moral questions," one's which nobuddy else could ever "answer satisfactorily," had such simple answers, ya know?

 

[Hopper]

There is no doubt that Gardner did what he is being executed for. I have no problem with it. And if he suffers a bit during the process so be it.

Yeah, Marcus. The onliest real question, I figure, is whether he's gunna suffer enuff. My own damn self, I don't think so! Homey don't play dat.

 

[Hopper]

There is no doubt that Gardner did what he is being executed for.

Here's the problem, though, see? Even if you wuz 100% certain Gardner done it, like if one million people seen him do it and recorded it all on video, there could STILL be some other guy, some other time, who didn't do what he was accused of. For that reason you CANNOT justifiably execute this Gardner guy. Surely any fool can see the logic there, eh?

 

[Scat]

Here's the problem, though, see? Even if you wuz 100% certain Gardner done it, like if one million people seen him do it and recorded it all on video, there could STILL be some other guy, some other time, who didn't do what he was accused of. For that reason you CANNOT justifiably execute this Gardner guy. Surely any fool can see the logic there, eh?

That's retarded logic. You could use that argument for any crime. You cannot justifiably incarcerate any criminal because there are some people that may be incarcerated that should not be. See how that works?

 

[Hopper]

That's retarded logic. You could use that argument for any crime. You cannot justifiably incarcerate any criminal because there are some people that may be incarcerated that should not be. See how that works?

Well....uhm....ya see...it's like....

OK, OK, now that ya mention it, I guess I do. Mebbe sumbuddy should autta tell Biley.

 

[Hopper]

Ya know, sumtimes I get to wonderin: Is the PC indoctrination so strong these here days that people will say anything they think they're "supposed" to say, even when they don't believe it for one second? Ya remember that fool, wuzzhizname, Dukakis, or sumthin, who ran for Pres a while back?

When axxed, he said he would not want to see someone who raped and strangled his wife and daughters git the death penalty. He lost all hope for election the second he said it, of course. Zup wit dat?

“That we should practice what we preach is generally admitted; but anyone who preaches what he and his hearers practice must incur the gravest moral disapprobation.” (Sumperv)

 

[Hopper]

...any forced death is going to inflict some pain. I think the US has done a great job of minimizing that.... The guillotine is not used.

Actually, the guillotine was specifically designed to provide an instantaneous, painless, form of execution. The problem here is not with what the criminal feels, but what squeamish observers think, and wring their hands about.