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14th Tank Platoon

Catchall said:
Well, the Knicks have now put the Nuggets ahead of us in the tank race. Watch Denver drop another couple spots with their own pick. I think they're joining the tank race. They're going to be players in this lottery.


Case in point: The Nuggets are down by 26 at home in the 2nd quarter to the Nets.
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Luckily Denver has 5 games on us. They will either win a few games, or give the other tank teams some wins. If the Jazz continue to win, it won't make a difference. They will get another 3rd option 10-12 in the draft...

Find a way to lose Jazz. Key road games coming up, gotta find a way to lose the ones other than Mil, Sixers (those teams are hopeless, Jazz probably win both even thought they are both 2nd of back/back).
 
Catchall said:
Well, the Knicks have now put the Nuggets ahead of us in the tank race. Watch Denver drop another couple spots with their own pick. I think they're joining the tank race. They're going to be players in this lottery.


Case in point: The Nuggets are down by 26 at home in the 2nd quarter to the Nets.
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Their pick goes to Orlando, so no real reason to tank.
 
Update!

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[tr]
[td]Lotto[/td]
[td]Team[/td]
[td]Conf.[/td]
[td]win[/td]
[td]loss[/td]
[td]win pct.[/td]
[td]tank alert(last 10 games)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1st[/td]
[td]Milwaukee Bucks[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]11[/td]
[td]46[/td]
[td].193[/td]
[td]3-7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td]Philadelphia 76ers[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]43[/td]
[td].259[/td]
[td]0-10[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td]Orlando Magic[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]42[/td]
[td].300[/td]
[td]5-5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4th[/td]
[td]L.A. Lakers[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]39[/td]
[td].328[/td]
[td]3-7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]Boston Celtics[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]39[/td]
[td].339[/td]
[td]4-6[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]Sacramento Kings*6[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]37[/td]
[td].351[/td]
[td]5-5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]New York Knicks*2[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]37[/td]
[td].362[/td]
[td]2-8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]Utah Jazz[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]36[/td]
[td].368[/td]
[td]5-5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9th[/td]
[td]Cleveland Cavaliers[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]36[/td]
[td].390[/td]
[td]7-3[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10th[/td]
[td]Detroit Pistons*5[/td]
[td]East[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]35[/td]
[td].397[/td]
[td]4-6[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11th[/td]
[td]New Orleans Pelicans*1[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]34[/td]
[td].404[/td]
[td]3-7[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12th[/td]
[td]Denver Nuggets*3[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td].439[/td]
[td]1-9[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12th[/td]
[td]Minnesota Timberwolves*9[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td].491[/td]
[td]5-5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14th[/td]
[td]Memphis Grizzlies[/td]
[td]West[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td].571[/td]
[td]6-4[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Goden State Warriors: 22nd

On the edge in the West​

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[tr]
[td]Lotto[/td]
[td]Team[/td]
[td]win[/td]
[td]loss[/td]
[td]win pct.[/td]
[td]Last 10 games[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]Dallas Mavericks[/td]
[td]36[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td].610[/td]
[td]8-2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]Golden State Warriors[/td]
[td]35[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td].603[/td]
[td]6-4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]Phoenix Suns[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td].579[/td]
[td]4-6[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9th[/td]
[td]Memphis Grizzlies[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td].571[/td]
[td]6-4[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]


*1 Philadelphia 76ers: Receives New Orleans Pelicans 2014 first-round pick (1-5 protected in 2014) via Jrue Holiday trade on 7/10/13.

*2 Denver Nuggets: Receives New York Knicks 2014 first-round pick via Carmelo Anthony trade on 02/22/11.

*3 Orlando Magic: Receives less favorable of Denver Nuggets/New York Knicks 2014 first-round pick via Dwight Howard trade on 8/10/12.

*4 Phoenix Suns: Receives Washington Wizards 2014 first-round pick (1-12 protected in 2014) via Marcin Gortat trade on 8/25/13.

*5 Charlotte Bobcats: Receives Detroit Pistons 2014 first-round pick (1-8 protected in 2014) via Ben Gordon trade on 6/26/12.

*6 Chicago Bulls: Receives Sacramento Kings 2014 first-round pick (1-12 protected in 2014) via J.J. Hickson trade on 6/30/11 to Cleveland. Via Luol Deng trade on 01/06/14

*7 Atlanta Hawks: Has right to swap 2014 first-round pick with Brooklyn Nets via Joe Johnson trade on 7/11/12.

*8 Chicago Bulls: Receives Charlotte’s 2014 first-round pick (1-10 protected in 2014) via Tyrus Thomas trade on 2/18/10.

*9 Phoenix Suns: Receives Minnesota Timberwolves 2014 first-round pick (1-13 protected in 2014) via Wesley Johnson trade on 7/27/13.

*10 Utah Jazz: Receive Golden State Warriors 2014 first-round pick (unprotected)


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[tr]
[td]Seed[/td]
[td]1st[/td]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td]4th[/td]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]9th[/td]
[td]10th[/td]
[td]11th[/td]
[td]12th[/td]
[td]13th[/td]
[td]14th[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1st[/td]
[td].250[/td]
[td].215[/td]
[td].178[/td]
[td].357[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td].199[/td]
[td].188[/td]
[td].171[/td]
[td].319[/td]
[td].123[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td].156[/td]
[td].157[/td]
[td].156[/td]
[td].226[/td]
[td].265[/td]
[td].040[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4th[/td]
[td].119[/td]
[td].126[/td]
[td].133[/td]
[td].099[/td]
[td].351[/td]
[td].160[/td]
[td].012[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td].088[/td]
[td].097[/td]
[td].107[/td]
[td][/td]
[td].261[/td]
[td].360[/td]
[td].084[/td]
[td].004[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td].063[/td]
[td].071[/td]
[td].081[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].439[/td]
[td].305[/td]
[td].040[/td]
[td].001[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td].043[/td]
[td].049[/td]
[td].058[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].529[/td]
[td].232[/td]
[td].018[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td].028[/td]
[td].033[/td]
[td].039[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].724[/td]
[td].168[/td]
[td].008[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9th[/td]
[td].017[/td]
[td].020[/td]
[td].024[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].813[/td]
[td].122[/td]
[td].004[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10th[/td]
[td].011[/td]
[td].013[/td]
[td].016[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].870[/td]
[td].089[/td]
[td].002[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11th[/td]
[td].008[/td]
[td].009[/td]
[td].012[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].907[/td]
[td].063[/td]
[td].001[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12th[/td]
[td].007[/td]
[td].009[/td]
[td].012[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].935[/td]
[td].039[/td]
[td].000[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]13th[/td]
[td].006[/td]
[td].007[/td]
[td].009[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].960[/td]
[td].018[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14th[/td]
[td].005[/td]
[td].006[/td]
[td].007[/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td].982[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Tank Ranking:
1. Philadelphia 76ers
2. Denver Nuggets
3. New York Knicks
4. Milwaukee Bucks
4. L.A. Lakers
4. New Orleans Pelicans


Wins for the worst teams since '03:

[table="width: 700, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]Lotto[/td]
[td]03/04[/td]
[td]04/05[/td]
[td]05/06[/td]
[td]06/07[/td]
[td]07/08[/td]
[td]08/09[/td]
[td]09/10[/td]
[td]10/11[/td]
[td]12/13[/td]
[td]Average since 2003[/td]
[td]Last 5[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1st[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]13[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]12[/td]
[td]17[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]17,6[/td]
[td]16,2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2nd[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]20[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]15[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]21[/td]
[td]20,2[/td]
[td]18,8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3rd[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td]18[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]19[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]23,2[/td]
[td]22,4[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4h[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td]22[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]25[/td]
[td]25,5[/td]
[td]23,8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5th[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]31[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]26,3[/td]
[td]24,8[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6th[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]23[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]24[/td]
[td]28[/td]
[td]28,2[/td]
[td]25,2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7th[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]26[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]27[/td]
[td]30[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]30,2[/td]
[td]28,2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8th[/td]
[td]35[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]34[/td]
[td]33[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]32[/td]
[td]29[/td]
[td]32,1[/td]
[td]30,8[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
 
The last two wins have just killed the tank more than anything so far this season. The Jazz would be sitting pretty solid at the 5th pick and Golden State would only be a half game up on Phoenix for the 8th seed in the West. I hate this season.
 
Ellis269 said:
The last two wins have just killed the tank more than anything so far this season. The Jazz would be sitting pretty solid at the 5th pick and Golden State would only be a half game up on Phoenix for the 8th seed in the West. I hate this season.
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The suns are one of three teams the jazz have beat two times this season. The others being Sacramento and Charlotte. So blast Horny and Big Al for spoiling it.

Also, the Jazz haven't helped themselves at all by losing to GS three times.
 
mellow said:
The suns are one of three teams the jazz have beat two times this season. The others being Sacramento and Charlotte. So blast Horny and Big Al for spoiling it.

Also, the Jazz haven't helped themselves at all by losing to GS three times.
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Well, yes...and no. Better for our tank, worse for the GS pick.

I'm seriously worried about Utah finishing with a better record than all the crappy teams including Denver. Utah has slipped to 8th with New Orleans, Detroit and Denver fading fast; Number 12 pick here we come!!! :mad:
 
KOC's strategy of developing a competitive team and drafting lottery players with other teams' picks--NY, NJ, GSW--isn't a bad strategy. Those just weren't good drafts. We basically got Kanter instead of Parker or Wiggins.

You look at our young 5, and they're all lottery picks, just not superstars.

Burke (9)
Burks (12)
Hayward (9)
Kanter (3)
Favors (3)
 
Catchall said:
KOC's strategy of developing a competitive team and drafting lottery players with other teams' picks--NY, NJ, GSW--isn't a bad strategy. Those just weren't good drafts. We basically got Kanter instead of Parker or Wiggins.

You look at our young 5, and they're all lottery picks, just not superstars.

Burke (9)
Burks (12)
Hayward (9)
Kanter (3)
Favors (3)
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Yep, unfortunately we've had high picks in a couple of very shallow drafts. Obviously, Hayward instead of George was a mistake. Indiana got a home run, but at least KOC avoided the complete busts that surrounded those picks (and which many on this board wanted). And the Kanter class was devoid of stars except the #1 pick. The argument was pretty much Valanciunas, Kanter or Knight, IIRC. Valanciunas vs. Kanter is pretty much a wash; both have comparable stats this season (12/6 vs. 10/9). Knight has disappointed. Guess you could argue Utah could have taken one of the other "K's": Kemba, Kawahi or Klay. None were rated top-5 so the boo-birds on this board would have called for KOC's head had he drafted one of those guys with the #3 pick.

I'd say Burks at #12 was a pretty good pick ahead of the Morris'. A few other selections were solid after that, but a good choice by KOC at that spot.
 
Catchall said:
KOC's strategy of developing a competitive team and drafting lottery players with other teams' picks--NY, NJ, GSW--isn't a bad strategy. Those just weren't good drafts. We basically got Kanter instead of Parker or Wiggins.

You look at our young 5, and they're all lottery picks, just not superstars.

Burke (9)
Burks (12)
Hayward (9)
Kanter (3)
Favors (3)
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Agreed, he over achieved on all of them. Even Kanter when you look at the busts drafted around him (Biyombo, Vesely, Williams). However he has also had the misfortune of not drafting one breakout player. If 4 had become busts and one a superstar, you probably take that option instead. Because you then have a clear plan on how to build your team, what your strengths and weaknesses are, what position to draft, who to target in FA, etc. The Jazz direction is unclear right now.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Agreed, he over achieved on all of them. Even Kanter when you look at the busts drafted around him (Biyombo, Vesely, Williams). However he has also had the misfortune of not drafting one breakout player. If 4 had become busts and one a superstar, you probably take that option instead. Because you then have a clear plan on how to build your team, what your strengths and weaknesses are, what position to draft, who to target in FA, etc. The Jazz direction is unclear right now.
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If you draft 4 busts and 1 potential star then you have Cleveland...And look at their front office and how they're trying to develop a new plan that keeps Kyrie in town longer than 2017.
The part is, how do the Jazz go from here in case the ping pong balls aren't in their favor? Are they going to be the Hawks for an extended period, making 6 consecutive playoffs but advancing to the 2nd round only once?
Or are they giving the project another 2 years for a chance to have a franchise player emerge from their own ranks or get them via trade/FA? If that doesn't happen I hope FO decides it's best to sell all the talent for good draft picks in their prime with at least 2 contract years left and then rebuild more aggressively by bottoming out for at least 2 years but with significant young players whose development makes a visit to the arena worthwhile. Will be interesting to see what their approach is. I have a hard time respecting a cheap owner in a closed system like the NBA that distributes talent not by reputation.
 
The tank is bacl!

Wow! I shut down my computer at work at the end of the first when the Jazz appeared to be cruising. Turn on the TV and they're down 14. Wish NY could have played better against GS, but you can't have everything. Maybe Jazz can bring this season home at 7-8 worst instead of falling behind even more teams.
 
New York ****ing scares me. They are so bad and have nothing to lose for. They are just losing because they are that depressing.
 
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