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VICTORY!!! LPGA to change policy on ‘female at birth’

cjs55 said:
It's really a straw man to argue against whether someone would specifically go through a sex change to play in the LPGA. The fact of the matter is anyone who happens to be both transgender and also a serious golfer would be at an advantage over the rest of the field. This sort of caving is counter to the idea of having a separate woman's league in the first place.
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haha how is that the "fact of the matter", is this a conclusion drawn from your intimate and studious knowledge of human physiology or from the decades of dominance transgender women have had in sports they've been allowed to compete in, like women's tennis

garbage

Gameface said:
I don't pretend to assume what would make this worth it to someone else. You're saying that the amount of money being made isn't enough to make someone want to do this, what if the amount of money did make it worth it? Would you feel differently then? Also, what if it is a person who might consider gender reassignment apart from their sports life but don't feel strongly enough about it to do it for that reason alone and have the surgery because it makes business sense for them? They would have an advantage over their "female at birth" competition, wouldn't they?
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this is a wildly contrived scenario built on a number of specious and offensive assumptions, such as that transgender women have a significant athletic advantage over at birth women, or that any pga runoff could dominate the lpga

even if what you were talking about could happen, it does not excuse a policy of continued discrimination by the lpga. the risk of a world class male golfer spending tens of thousands of dollars to undergo months of therapy before months of hormone treatments before months of recovery after reassignment surgery all in an effort to lay siege to the lpga isn't worth locking out those who just want a chance to compete.
 
TICC said:
Well, fwiw, your commentary is absolutely ridiculous. If these are the judgments you make, it is kind of funny that you're able (are you?) to function as a moderator.
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What judgments are you speaking of? I haven't judged anyone. I made an off hand remark about the possibility of someone trying to take advantage of the new rule. I didn't make the remark to disparage the transgender community or question the wisdom of the LPGA. If that's what you've read into it, then that's your fault. I can't control it when someone wanders into a thread just looking for someone to be mad at.

OF COURSE it would be ridiculous for anyone to change genders solely to gain entrance into the LPGA. I think any reasonable person would arrive at that conclusion. But it certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility. And that's all my comment amounted to.
 
Cool. The LPGA needed some publicity and it's certainly working. I wouldn't have even thought of ladies golf today unless I saw this news. Mission accomplished. As long as I can still jack it to pics of Natalie Gulbis, I really don't care what they do.
 
Get Down said:
haha how is that the "fact of the matter", is this a conclusion drawn from your intimate and studious knowledge of human physiology or from the decades of dominance transgender women have had in sports they've been allowed to compete in, like women's tennis

garbage



this is a wildly contrived scenario built on a number of specious and offensive assumptions, such as that transgender women have a significant athletic advantage over at birth women, or that any pga runoff could dominate the lpga

even if what you were talking about could happen, it does not excuse a policy of continued discrimination by the lpga. the risk of a world class male golfer spending tens of thousands of dollars to undergo months of therapy before months of hormone treatments before months of recovery after reassignment surgery all in an effort to lay siege to the lpga isn't worth locking out those who just want a chance to compete.
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Get Down is spot on with this issue. There is a lot of time, effort, money, and stigma that comes from being transgender. Undergoing a sex change is not at all simple. It's going to take me many years to complete my own transition. It really is ridiculous to think that anyone would undergo a sex change for the sole purpose of competing in a women's sport.

One other thing that hasn't even been mentioned is the loss of family and friends. I fully expect that my own family will want nothing to do with me once I go full time as a woman in everyday life. Do you honestly think that is pleasant? It is very hurtful. I have been preparing myself for this for many years by surrounding myself with friends who support me fully. I am lucky to have built up a good support network. I may end up losing my biological family (I still hope that's not the case), but at least I will have a family of people who will stand by me.

I just see no benefit to anyone going through all this simply to compete in a women's sport.
 
KatieMCR said:
It really is ridiculous to think that anyone would undergo a sex change for the sole purpose of competing in a women's sport.
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I seem to recall you saying something along the line that to be recognized as a female in California you don't need to have undergone a sex change?
 
Get Down said:
haha how is that the "fact of the matter", is this a conclusion drawn from your intimate and studious knowledge of human physiology or from the decades of dominance transgender women have had in sports they've been allowed to compete in, like women's tennis
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Yeah, obviously it's just a coincidence that Lawless was the woman's long-drive champion. I'm not an expert on human physiology, so I can't make the case that it had anything to do with her initial gender.

Give me a frickin break.
 
Bronco70 said:
But it certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility. And that's all my comment amounted to.
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eh? You clearly stated that eventually someone would have gender reassignment surgery for the sole purpose of playing on the LPGA tour. I fail to see how that's the same as saying that "it certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility".

Your statement can clearly be taken as dismissive of the struggles of the trans-gender community.

And I'm not sold on the decision being a good one.

Anyway, whatever.
 
TroutBum said:
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
You can take the shaft off the dude but not the dude off his shaft.

Four!
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FORE, you moran.
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consider the source....


and on a related note (not to hijack the thread or anything, sorry Katie...) but the Illinois legislature today passed Civil Union legislation, though I heard on the radio that it applied not only to same sex couples but also to elderly couples of the opposite sex who don't want to get married. that seems sort of like a new twist...

anyhow, I haven't found much by googling it, but here's one link:
https://www.bilerico.com/2010/12/illinois_legislature_passes_civil_unions_different.php


The Illinois Senate has passed a civil union bill. The House passed it yesterday, and ht47civilUnion.jpgthe governor has said he will sign it, so it's a done deal. When it becomes law the status will be available to both same-sex and different-sex couples.

Only Nevada and the District of Columbia have created a status that is also open to different-sex couples...
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KatieMCR said:
One other thing that hasn't even been mentioned is the loss of family and friends. I fully expect that my own family will want nothing to do with me once I go full time as a woman in everyday life. Do you honestly think that is pleasant? It is very hurtful.
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Hurtful? To whom? Your family? Your friends? Honestly, have you ever thought about how this affects your family or have you mostly been concerned about yourself? I guess the most important part of all this is, YOU DESERVE YOUR HAPPINESS! Screw the rest of the world. :rolleyes:

I have been preparing myself for this for many years by surrounding myself with friends who support me fully. I am lucky to have built up a good support network. I may end up losing my biological family (I still hope that's not the case), but at least I will have a family of people who will stand by me.
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Surrounding yourself with enablers to feel better about yourself is classic narcissistic behavior.
 
moevillini said:
and on a related note (not to hijack the thread or anything, sorry Katie...) but the Illinois legislature today passed Civil Union legislation, though I heard on the radio that it applied not only to same sex couples but also to elderly couples of the opposite sex who don't want to get married. that seems sort of like a new twist...

anyhow, I haven't found much by googling it, but here's one link:
https://www.bilerico.com/2010/12/illinois_legislature_passes_civil_unions_different.php
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The Pride in Utah blog I read posted a news item about this. Here's a link if you care to read it. https://prideinutah.com/?p=6672
 
So you're saying katie should feel ashamed because some people are offended by harmless actions?

I'd argue that those who get embarrassed by family members who make strange, difficult decisions to better their lives, while hurting no one, are the true narcissists. If there is a hell, I'm sure it's reserved for people like that.
 
Marcus said:
KatieMCR said:
One other thing that hasn't even been mentioned is the loss of family and friends. I fully expect that my own family will want nothing to do with me once I go full time as a woman in everyday life. Do you honestly think that is pleasant? It is very hurtful.
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Hurtful? To whom? Your family? Your friends? Honestly, have you ever thought about how this affects your family or have you mostly been concerned about yourself? I guess the most important part of all this is, YOU DESERVE YOUR HAPPINESS! Screw the rest of the world. :rolleyes:

I have been preparing myself for this for many years by surrounding myself with friends who support me fully. I am lucky to have built up a good support network.
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Surrounding yourself with enablers to feel better about yourself is classic narcissistic behavior.
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holy cow, Marcus, such vitriol? It's not an easy thing for anybody. I'm not sure there's even a word to describe your behavior in that response.
 
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