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yamers said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yla2KxG5r5w
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Really only saw one defensive play that was really impressive in that video (the first possesion) 2 times wiggins traveled which had little to do with smarts D (both of those plays it looked like smart was beat if the travel wasn't called). Another play wiggins got to the free throw line. Another play wiggins spun around smart and got into the lane and missed a shot. Another play wiggins blew by smart and smart made a nice play to poke the ball away from behind, which was a nice play, but he was still beat on that play. Another play wiggins got alot of space and hit a jumper.

That first possesion was really good defense by smart but the rest of the video seemed to be mostly highlighting wiggins just struggling more than it highlights smarts amazing defense
 
fishonjazz said:
Really only saw one defensive play that was really impressive in that video (the first possesion) 2 times wiggins traveled which had little to do with smarts D (both of those plays it looked like smart was beat if the travel wasn't called). Another play wiggins got to the free throw line. Another play wiggins spun around smart and got into the lane and missed a shot. Another play wiggins blew by smart and smart made a nice play to poke the ball away from behind, which was a nice play, but he was still beat on that play. Another play wiggins got alot of space and hit a jumper.

That first possesion was really good defense by smart but the rest of the video seemed to be mostly highlighting wiggins just struggling more than it highlights smarts amazing defense
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Disagree. Smart did a really good job putting his body into his driving lane and keeping him away from the basket. Pretty similar to how you most efficiently stop LeBron when he's not having a 60 point night.
 
BTP said:
You know the definition of a flop is that there was no foul while you try to get one. In this case Wiggins lowered his shoulder into his chest. Smart just sold the call so the refs wouldn't miss it. Smart play!
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I disagree. When you exaggerate the contact to "sell" contact is flopping.

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orangello said:
I disagree. When you exaggerate the contact to "sell" contact is flopping.

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Nope it is not. That's selling the call. If I'm mistaken you even can get T'd up for selling calls to hard. But it's a smart thing to do.
Flopping would be tricking a ref into whistling contact that never actually happened.
There's like tricks to sell calls. Like when someone lowers his shoulder into you, you simply move also into the player so the contact is harder and the fall looks more natural. That's smart play and I root for players who play hard, take the beating and make sure as many fouls that occur against them are actually called.
 
I think Smart did a decent job. I loved his effort but Wiggins made a lot of mistakes so it looks better for Smart. I go up and down with my feelings towards Smart. I love his toughness but I don't like his size. I don't think he is a PG so he most likely will play a lot of SG and that is where I have a problem. Yea I think he is an above average defender but I just don't think he is a very good shooter. He isn't going to be able to bully his way to the basket in the NBA. I like him around 7 but there is no way I would take him top 3.
 
cowhide said:
I think Smart did a decent job. I loved his effort but Wiggins made a lot of mistakes so it looks better for Smart. I go up and down with my feelings towards Smart. I love his toughness but I don't like his size. I don't think he is a PG so he most likely will play a lot of SG and that is where I have a problem. Yea I think he is an above average defender but I just don't think he is a very good shooter. He isn't going to be able to bully his way to the basket in the NBA. I like him around 7 but there is no way I would take him top 3.
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fishonjazz said:
Really only saw one defensive play that was really impressive in that video (the first possesion) 2 times wiggins traveled which had little to do with smarts D (both of those plays it looked like smart was beat if the travel wasn't called). Another play wiggins got to the free throw line. Another play wiggins spun around smart and got into the lane and missed a shot. Another play wiggins blew by smart and smart made a nice play to poke the ball away from behind, which was a nice play, but he was still beat on that play. Another play wiggins got alot of space and hit a jumper.

That first possesion was really good defense by smart but the rest of the video seemed to be mostly highlighting wiggins just struggling more than it highlights smarts amazing defense
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Just say you think that video is full of average d.....have you seen many of his other games? He is elite. He is. He has two elite skills one is his d and the other is his ability to get to the line. Then he has intangibles. Extremely coachable, fierce competitor, wants to be a star. I'm telling you, if you are down on him you are overlooking a special player. Plus KKK hates him which is enough reason to know that he will be mega.
 
I think Smart will be better initially than lots of players, maybe 2nd best right away behind Parker (well behind mind you), but I worry about his long-term productivity. I think he'll slow early and his defense will become suspect, and he needs to hone his skillz.
 
Vermin said:
Just say you think that video is full of average d.....have you seen many of his other games? He is elite. He is. He has two elite skills one is his d and the other is his ability to get to the line. Then he has intangibles. Extremely coachable, fierce competitor, wants to be a star. I'm telling you, if you are down on him you are overlooking a special player. Plus KKK hates him which is enough reason to know that he will be mega.
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agreed. Smart is really tough and worth it if he can't get parker or wiggins. I would not touch exum before him.
 
Vermin said:
Just say you think that video is full of average d.
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Ya that is what i saw in the vid.

I agree that i think he is tough and has intangibles but i think he is a worse version of tyreke evans in the nba.

Hopefully he is more bledsoe than tyreke though
 
fishonjazz said:
Really only saw one defensive play that was really impressive in that video (the first possesion) 2 times wiggins traveled which had little to do with smarts D (both of those plays it looked like smart was beat if the travel wasn't called). Another play wiggins got to the free throw line. Another play wiggins spun around smart and got into the lane and missed a shot. Another play wiggins blew by smart and smart made a nice play to poke the ball away from behind, which was a nice play, but he was still beat on that play. Another play wiggins got alot of space and hit a jumper.

That first possesion was really good defense by smart but the rest of the video seemed to be mostly highlighting wiggins just struggling more than it highlights smarts amazing defense
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You every play basketball bro? Players get beat on purpose against guys w/ weak handles to do that. It's an easy way to get steals if you have quick hands and your man has weak handles (Like Wiggins has).
 
I'm not sure who he compares to he is that unique, but he is nothing at all like tyreke Evans IMO, certainly not worse. Shoot if tyreke had the intangibles that smart has he'd be an all star.
 
BTP said:
Nope it is not. That's selling the call. If I'm mistaken you even can get T'd up for selling calls to hard. But it's a smart thing to do.
Flopping would be tricking a ref into whistling contact that never actually happened.
There's like tricks to sell calls. Like when someone lowers his shoulder into you, you simply move also into the player so the contact is harder and the fall looks more natural. That's smart play and I root for players who play hard, take the beating and make sure as many fouls that occur against them are actually called.
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It's a smart thing to do, but the fact is that you can build a bad reputation and you risk becoming "the boy who cried wolf". He will already have a rep as a flopper but won't have the superstar status in the NBA (like he does in College) right away.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
You every play basketball bro? Players get beat on purpose against guys w/ weak handles to do that. It's an easy way to get steals if you have quick hands and your man has weak handles (Like Wiggins has).
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Ya i could see that i guess..... and ya i played ALOT of basketball and was very good at it.
I always tried to stay in front of my man and sometimes i got beat and reaches around and poked the ball away like smart did.
Never intentionally gave my man an open lane to the hoop though. Too risky, if i didnt poke the ball away it would resulr in an easy layup. I prefer to stay in front of my man if possible
 
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