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Thee jazz fan said:
You ****ing little bitch!!! I hope I get the chance to meet you in a dark alley. All you do is spew out crap as if it's facts ignoring the fact that you know it's not true, and that because it's coming out of your ****ing weak *** mouth you think it's gospel!!!!!!!!! Why the **** do you even consider yourself a fan of the jazz?!?! Consider yourself on ignore, as there isn't one thing you say that holds any merit!!!
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Thank you for proving my point perfectly in regards to the blind Andrei "Dunleavy" Hayward worshipping here. I remember similar posts when I criticized Gordon Kirilenko a few years backs. The insults never did take away the fact that I was right.

The irrational love for this guy is mind boggling. I gotta just think that much of it is based on appearance. Certainly not for his play.
 
The Thriller said:
Thank you for proving my point perfectly in regards to the blind Andrei "Dunleavy" Hayward worshipping here. I remember similar posts when I criticized Gordon Kirilenko a few years backs. The insults never did take away the fact that I was right.

The irrational love for this guy is mind boggling. I gotta just think that much of it is based on appearance. Certainly not for his play.
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Not sure what you are referring to, but Gordon is a good complementary player. You may be the only one who believes that others think he is a star. No one here believes that anymore.
 
The Thriller said:
I would like to see some passion. We all know he can be reverent. We have never seen any sustained competitive fire or passion.

You my friend, have obviously never played sports. Ya gotta be emotional. Ya gotta be nasty. Gotta be edgey. All championship players are. Even Duncan is nasty, grumpy, pissed, and emotional. That's one thing I loved from D will. And probably what pissed him off the most about Hayward.

You don't get bullied by Delonte, JJ, or the refs without protesting. Ya gotta stand up for yourself.
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Lol lumping him in with mega stars to find flaws in his game is not a good argument bro.
 
Vermin said:
Not sure what you are referring to, but Gordon is a good complementary player. You may be the only one who believes that others think he is a star. No one here believes that anymore.
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Define "good."

I don't think a good playoff team can win with him starting.

His shot is too inconsistent and he's just too soft.

Nearly sub .400 percent FG and nearly sub .300 percent 3 pt FG. The fact we ignore that most WC starting SFs are shooting 10-15 percent better than Hayward just goes to show the extent of the blind worshipping we have towards a pretty average/bad player. I took hell when I bashed Kirilenko. I fully expect to take hell for bashing yet another white player who just isn't very good.

Those who focus on his "court vision" are merely making excuses for his ****ty shooting and piss poor ability to drive and score. I don't think a team will be able to win consistently with him starting. Just like Gordon Kirilenko, he's best suited for a sucky team or coming off the bench for a few mins on a good team. He just doesn't shoot well enough

PGs create. SF's finish. Here in utah we seem to believe the opposite. Which is weird because isn't that what we got Trey to do?

We here in utah bash Melo and JR constantly as overrated losers who cannot win.

Yet both shoot a much higher percentage than Hayward. If Hayward were black, had tats, and cornrows, I'm guessing that we would be a lot less patient with him.we see this with burks. When he doesn't shoot well, he sucks. When Hayward doesn't shoot well, he has good court vision and/or he does things which don't show up in the box score.... Yep, uh-huh,right.
 
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The Thriller said:
Exactly what I want out of a SF. Who cares about his shooting, driving, slashing, post up, etc. let's only care about his court vision. Who needs a PG when you have Hayward, right? By the way, Andrei Hayward just threw the ball away two times straight. Again, who needs a PG to pass the ball when you have Hayward, right?
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The Jazz need a SG/SF to distribute because Burke shoots way too much. Always looking for his own shot first.

Thank goodness we have Hayward and Burks otherwise the Jazz may never get an assist.

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The Thriller said:
Perfect example of why Hayward needs to go:

He drives the lane, gets clobbered on one of the worst no calls I've ever seen, and...

Does he explode in anger? Does he get Ted up? Does he show any emotion? Nope. He just accepts it. Just like how he accepted Delonte giving him a wet willey and JJ Barea bumping him. This week *** coward behavior must go. It's a mindset. No anger, no emotion, no competitive spirit. You can't win in this league if you have no passion. No toughness. Replace this clown with Wiggins of Parker and bring in some nasty.
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Really? So basically you just want Hayward to be someone completely different then he is. Its good that he doesn't blow up at that kind of stuff. Its called being professional. This is not MMA, wild aggression only leads to foul trouble in this league.

Hayward had proven in the past that he can be a capable shooter. This year he was asked to be a star and came up short. That doesn't negate his positive qualities. He is still an elite passer, strong rebounder and solid defender. BTW shooting is the easiest and most commonly improved skill in basketball. BBall IQ is like being athletic, it can't be taught.

Just because calmer minds don't loath him for his learning curve does not mean he's being worshiped. You for some reason enjoy rooting against your team instead of for it.

As you your self have stated "this year is about learning what works and development." We have learned that Gordon buckles under the weight of being the #1 option and have seen him develop into good all around player.

15, 5, 5 is really hard to come by. Let's be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

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The Thriller said:
Define "good."

I don't think a good playoff team can win with him starting.

His shot is too inconsistent and he's just too soft.

Nearly sub .400 percent FG and nearly sub .300 percent 3 pt FG. The fact we ignore that most WC starting SFs are shooting 10-15 percent better than Hayward just goes to show the extent of the blind worshipping we have towards a pretty average/bad player. I took hell when I bashed Kirilenko. I fully expect to take hell for bashing yet another white player who just isn't very good.

Those who focus on his "court vision" are merely making excuses for his ****ty shooting and piss poor ability to drive and score. I don't think a team will be able to win consistently with him starting. Just like Gordon Kirilenko, he's best suited for a sucky team or coming off the bench for a few mins on a good team. He just doesn't shoot well enough

PGs create. SF's finish. Here in utah we seem to believe the opposite. Which is weird because isn't that what we got Trey to do?

We here in utah bash Melo and JR constantly as overrated losers who cannot win.

Yet both shoot a much higher percentage than Hayward. If Hayward were black, had tats, and cornrows, I'm guessing that we would be a lot less patient with him.we see this with burks. When he doesn't shoot well, he sucks. When Hayward doesn't shoot well, he has good court vision and/or he does things which don't show up in the box score.... Yep, uh-huh,right.
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Instead of presenting any real information you decide to make this a race issue? That's pretty sad. You need to grow up man.

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orangello said:
The Jazz need a SG/SF to distribute because Burke shoots way too much. Always looking for his own shot first.

Thank goodness we have Hayward and Burks otherwise the Jazz may never get an assist.

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Sounds to me then that you're admitting that the Jazz are even more flawed than previously thought. Sounds like we might have even exasterbated our PG problem by wasting a pick on a chucking SG playing PG. We could have just kept Mo.

If Burke can't distribute, will it matter then who we draft this year? If we somehow get the #1 pick, will it really change anything since that #1 pick won't get the ball enough due to our PGs inability to distribute?

Keeping Hayward around because our PG doesn't pass seems pretty lame. Either Burke needs to be fixed or he needs to be shipped out. Chuck first PGs never win championships.
 
yamers said:
so basically...anything over 7.5mil is too much for hayward.
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For me it's about roles. If he wants to come off the bench to backup a real player like Wiggins or Burks, then fine. But we cannot win with a SF who shoots almost sub .400 FG and almost sub .300 3 pt. That's just not starting SF material right there. You can't win playing 4 on 5 on offense. Or did we not learn this lesson under the AK47 regime?
 
The Thriller said:
For me it's about roles. If he wants to come off the bench to backup a real player like Wiggins or Burks, then fine. But we cannot win with a SF who shoots almost sub .400 FG and almost sub .300 3 pt. That's just not starting SF material right there. You can't win playing 4 on 5 on offense. Or did we not learn this lesson under the AK47 regime?
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but hes the best PG in the league. :rolleyes:
 
By shooting stats do you mean your generalized estimation at Gordon's season fg avg? No I didn't miss that. I just don't pay attention to gibberish.

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JoelHodgeJr said:
Really? So basically you just want Hayward to be someone completely different then he is. Its good that he doesn't blow up at that kind of stuff. Its called being professional. This is not MMA, wild aggression only leads to foul trouble in this league.

Hayward had proven in the past that he can be a capable shooter. This year he was asked to be a star and came up short. That doesn't negate his positive qualities. He is still an elite passer, strong rebounder and solid defender. BTW shooting is the easiest and most commonly improved skill in basketball. BBall IQ is like being athletic, it can't be taught.

Just because calmer minds don't loath him for his learning curve does not mean he's being worshiped. You for some reason enjoy rooting against your team instead of for it.

As you your self have stated "this year is about learning what works and development." We have learned that Gordon buckles under the weight of being the #1 option and have seen him develop into good all around player.

15, 5, 5 is really hard to come by. Let's be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Sent from the JazzFanz app
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tl;dr
 
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