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So you think that Aaron Gordon can turn into a three point scoring machine who nails 100% free throws because his mechanics don't appear bad to you but you don't think that a kid like Jabari Parker who everyone says is very open to criticism, down to earth and humble can improve his shot selection and develop an understanding of spacing, angles and passing when given time and a steady environment?

Yes.

I love that game vs. Mercer when Parker took all the criticism and took a ton of bad shots and didn't drive on the ultra athletic and big Mercer defense. That was awesome. Oh then there was Parker playing that Pippen like defense preventing all those simple cuts from Mercer........ wait, nvm lol.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQKGH-Ll3qg

Dat Jabari Parker manning the middle of the zone to prevent a Gordon dunk.... oh wait, lol.
 
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Bitches in the back.
 
Did you watch Parker this year? He loves taking awful off-balance mid range jumpers despite having the best floor spacing in all of College.

But he is a nice mormon boy so that must mean he is a team player.

He spent some time playing center too. Things will be different for him when he gets to the NBA.

Who he is does matter. Melo thinks he is Lebron and has a poor work ethic. This is the guy that said he would be willing to take less money for a shorter season. Compare that with a kid that you keep hearing good things about. A kid that is very "coachable". I would expect an 18 yr old kid to have poor shot selection. I don't think he will throughout his NBA career.
 
Aaron Gordon with a better A:TO than Parker despite having the ball less and having less shooters on his team. Gordon is the superior athlete and has the superior intellect. Parker might be better the 1st two years of their careers, but Gordon will eventually surpass him.
 
He spent some time playing center too. Things will be different for him when he gets to the NBA.

Who he is does matter. Melo thinks he is Lebron and has a poor work ethic. This is the guy that said he would be willing to take less money for a shorter season. Compare that with a kid that you keep hearing good things about. A kid that is very "coachable". I would expect an 18 yr old kid to have poor shot selection. I don't think he will throughout his NBA career.

Gives pass to Mormon kid who talks good English cuz why not.

Hates on Melo cuz he is smart enough to recognize the NBA season is too long.
 
Cy, point blank, who do you think ends up with the better career, Parker or Gordon?

If Gordon goes to the right team that will develop him correctly (as in not stick at SF right away and play him mostly on the perimeter) then yes.

Just been really disappointed with Parker. Don't see that much room for growth in his game and he struggles to defend, even in zone schemes. Proclaimed hard worker, but appears to be out of shape?

I would still probably take Parker over Gordon though, just because his offensive game is so advanced for his age and as a GM it would be hard to pass up, but I would prefer this risk of Gordon as a fan.
 
Gives pass to Mormon kid who talks good English cuz why not.

Hates on Melo cuz he is smart enough to recognize the NBA season is too long.

You do know I'm not mormon right? I'm not a member of the Jimmer fan club. So... yeah throw another "mormon" in there if it makes you feel better.
 
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you think one game will take him from ~12th to ~23rd?

His stock might have been over-inflated at its peak, but there's no way he falls to the GSW pick. You'd have a better chance hoping GSW falls to him.

i always viewed him as 15th-17th range. with guys like Early rising, i thought he could fall to early 20's
 
Who would trade the #1 for the #3 and #12 from Orlando or #3 and 11 from Phili?

I pride myself in staying objective with my teams when analyzing potential deals and having a good understanding of various front offices and their situation.
But I have to say I have no clue what direction Orlando is going to go. They developed patterns, mimiced others. I have no clue.
I believe their decision makers to be smart basketball guys and I think their final product will be very intriguing.

Right now they have a lot of assets listed by probability that they're being a part of their final product:
Oladipo, Harris, Afflalo, Harkless, O'Quinn, Vucevic, Nicholson

In order to have a basketball lineup that comes close to patterns of San Antonio and OKC they need 1 thing the most: DEFENSE and a playmaker.
They have a lot of shooting, hustle and rebounding.

So the 2 no brainer picks for them would be Embiid or Wiggins.

What does Orlando do with Embiid? They'd have to be confident he could defend 4s and create twin towers. But if Embiid is deemed healthy he's gone at #3 unless Exum does some magic. Like black magic(no racialist).
If they go Embiid they have the size and have flexibility with Vucevic, who'll receive a 44-48 offer for 4 years from the Magic this summer or is dealt. If both work together, so be it otherwise you trade Vucevic but you'll only get phone calls from very few teams and if he doesn't outplay his hefty contract by improving his defense or scoring 18-20 a night while pulling down 12 boards they'll get limited value in return.

Playing twin towers would result in possible scenarios:

Oladipo, Afflalo, Harkless, Embiid, Vucevic
2015 PG, Oladipo, Afflalo, Embiid, Vucevic
Oladipo, Afflalo, Harris, Embiid, Vucevic
Oladipo, Afflalo, 2015 wing, Harris, Embiid
2015 PG, Oladipo, Harkless, Harris, Embiid
Oladipo, Afflalo, Harris, 2015 PF, Embiid

Then if you draft Wiggins that basically means you'll need different front court players because their current aren't playing defense like Hennigan wants them to. And that also means that Oladipo is their PG like Reggie Jackson. Secondary ball handler, grind opposite defenders tired. That would also means that one or both or Harkless and Harris are traded. Both want to start and I don't know if they'd be willing to concede their starting spot if Wiggins outplays them year one as a 6th man and they become that guy. My guess is no. And you need to deal with your frontcourt, even though Harris could play stretch 4 with Wiggins together if you have someone like Dwight Howard clogging the paint.

Oladipo, Afflalo, Wiggins, Harris, Monster Center FA/draftee
Oladipo, Afflalo, Wiggins, athletic PF, Vucevic
Oladipo, Wiggins, Harkless, Harris, center beast two way player
Oladipo, Afflalo, Wiggins, new PF, new Center

So there's versatility and very much. Which direction they'll go will probably depend on the offer they get. If Milwaukee selects Embiid and they find the Bucks' troublemaker Sanders to be worth the headache(which I doubt) or even decide that he has developed or it was Milwaukee's fault then they'll gladly rip them off a second time in 2 years and hand them Afflalo or a future first rounder.

That being said if the Jazz end up with the #1 pick I'd consider doing that depending on what's coming back with the #3 together. If I'm the Jazz I want Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, Exum in that order and if we get Parker with that deal then I'd have to make my mind up about the following questions:

Can I hide Parker while having a real defensive combo forward?(The only ones I know are Smove and Unibrow, but neither is coming to Utah)
I mean I'd be comfortable with Taj Gibson guarding Anthony Davis the next years when he's going to be the 2nd best player on the planet and best power forward to ever play the game. Yes I think he's that good and it's a shame what New Orleans management is putting around him. They'll rename into New Orleans Blues after he leaves them in 5 years unless they can repair this situation.
But Gibson and Favors in a front court? Too limited IMO. I'd be comfortable with Favors going against Davis' pick and roll and I'd feel okay long term with Parker understanding defense and making important switches against Davis' backscreen curls.
I don't feel okay with Smove's contract even though he'd give the Jazz the best guy next to Parker whose shooting woes would be eliminated via Parker and who could guard Durant one night, Davis the next, while getting them tired with his back to the basket game.
So I don't really like that option of Parker falling for us when we could have Wiggins or Embiid with #1, no matter who we're getting with #11 or #12.

I really like Exum but he would cause a need to restructure so much of the roster to create a contender that I also don't like this move too much.

I probably prefer Embiid the most for the Jazz team combined with a talented wing defender and if he's sure to fall to #3 I'd take that deal but I'm sceptical that might not be the case depending on lottery results.
 
If Gordon goes to the right team that will develop him correctly (as in not stick at SF right away and play him mostly on the perimeter) then yes.

Just been really disappointed with Parker. Don't see that much room for growth in his game and he struggles to defend, even in zone schemes. Proclaimed hard worker, but appears to be out of shape?

I would still probably take Parker over Gordon though, just because his offensive game is so advanced for his age and as a GM it would be hard to pass up, but I would prefer this risk of Gordon as a fan.

This worries me too.
 
Yes.

I love that game vs. Mercer when Parker took all the criticism and took a ton of bad shots and didn't drive on the ultra athletic and big Mercer defense. That was awesome. Oh then there was Parker playing that Pippen like defense preventing all those simple cuts from Mercer........ wait, nvm lol.

I honestly think you have a very selective perception. You have a guy that's super talented and has a great feel for creating his own offense at a young age, who is more athletic than everyone thought and has some knocks. Some of the knocks will probably never go away. Others are fixable and some hopefully will improve to a certain degree.

If you ask me that description would fit to both Jabari Parker and Aaron Gordon. But yet you're thinking that Aaron Gordon will bring world peace while Parker's Wladimir Putin figuratively speaking.
I'd like to know why.
Why can one prospect fix his issues and the other one can't? I mean maybe you're seeing more than we do. Or maybe you're seeing things that aren't even there in the first place.

I'd just like to know why you think that Jabari Parker won't develop a certain court vision, improve his passing, improve his shot selection, improve his go-to moves even more and understand defensive schemes and how he can be successful within them while his coach tries to move him away from situations where he has to guard Kevin Durant.
Why can Aaron Gordon all of a sudden develop mental toughness needed to convert free throws? Or the necessary muscle memory with repetitions or eye hand coordination? Why can Aaron Gordon extend his range to the NBA 3 line? Why can he tighten his handles? Why can he develop real go-to moves that make him valuable in the fourth quarter and playoffs? Why can he become more than a luxury junk yard dog with high BBIQ and pasing skills?

You know I'm not saying he can't. But for both prospects and some of their weaknesses, history suggests there's a very low chance that they will get a lot better with more time. Both prospects have areas where they can easily work on and see better results.
Why is it Parker's destiny to not improve?
 
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