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Embiid and Parker are Leaning Towards Returning to School

On a Scale of 1-10, How Scared Are You?

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    Votes: 9 19.6%

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    Votes: 1 2.2%

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    Votes: 3 6.5%

  • 4

    Votes: 4 8.7%

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    Votes: 4 8.7%

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    Votes: 3 6.5%

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    Votes: 6 13.0%

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    Votes: 4 8.7%

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    Votes: 4 8.7%

  • 10

    Votes: 8 17.4%
  • Total voters
    46
green said:
That long with the fanbase? One year? They haven't pushed their luck with anything. Their attendance is still good. Their ticket sales are still good. People are still watching on tv. T-shirts are still selling.

The Millers are making a lot of money this year off the Jazz. They haven't pushed anything yet.
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Agreed.

Contenders just don't fall in peoples laps, and those teams aren't built in one year. Jazz lucked out with Karl and John being infinitely better than their draft position, but that was the exception, not the rule.

If we don't get the player we want this year, I say we hold onto our guys, build an interim team, get a new coach and try to build up everyone's value. Really find out who to keep, and who not to keep, make some trades for good picks, and then go all in on the 2017 draft class. VJ King and Josh Jackson are already getting hyped up as future superstar SF's.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
This.


Even if we only got someone like Randle, I would like us to start trying to win straight away with a new coach (may be Hollins?) who could whip these young boys into shape.


I like to see the young guys really grow with some legit vets, and let's see if we can make it to the playoffs next year!!!!
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Wouldn't that suck, if we let Millsap walk, went through an awful year, just to draft Millsap again.

Ha ha.
 
green said:
That long with the fanbase? One year? They haven't pushed their luck with anything. Their attendance is still good. Their ticket sales are still good. People are still watching on tv. T-shirts are still selling.

The Millers are making a lot of money this year off the Jazz. They haven't pushed anything yet.
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The Millers are still making money for sure, but attendance is down a lot from previous years. According to ESPN, the Jazz attendance based off of % of attendance is 19th in the league at 90.7%. Not to mention lots of people end up leaving games early. Utah will still be a lottery team next season, but there has to be some improvement shown or fans will stop showing up. That's why I think the most important thing for the Jazz this offseason is finding the right coach, not necessarily the draft. A good coach could get a lot outta this team.
 
Vermin said:
Not so sure you are correct in that they are making money this year. Cant verify, but alot of empty seats and no media money are not good for small market teams for any prolonged stretch of time.
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attendance is still better than most the league, and there is revenue sharing...
 
Vermin said:
Not so sure you are correct in that they are making money this year. Cant verify, but alot of empty seats and no media money are not good for small market teams for any prolonged stretch of time.
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No one cares about empty seats. What they care about are seats sold.

The NBA is making money hand over fist right now. Why do you think over 800 million was offered for Sacramento? Owning a NBA franchise right now is like owning an ATM machine. The new CBA is a money making CBA.
 
Vermin said:
Not so sure you are correct in that they are making money this year. Cant verify, but alot of empty seats and no media money are not good for small market teams for any prolonged stretch of time.
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Home attendance is off less than 1,000/game. I don't know what the average ticket price would be, but I'd have to assume most of those would be in the cheaper seats. But even assuming 1,000 tickets for 41 games at $50/per, that's just $2M in reduced gate revenue. Throw in concessions, etc. That's not all that much, especially considering team payroll dropped WAY down from last season. Jazz are just over $57M for 2013/14, which is 6th lowest in the league. Yes, the Millers are DEFINITELY in the black this season.
 
I don't see why players slotted top 3 would go back to school. If basketball is going to be their profession, they may as well get the money and the pro experience sooner. I can't think of a top prospect who benefited by going back to school.

But I think this is the last year the Jazz are going to dip into the high lottery to pick up one more alpha player. If the Jazz get a better coach and rebuild their bench, which they effectively gutted when they gave up an entire 5-man unit last offseason, they'll add 15 wins automatically and be back in playoff contention.

It's so obvious the Jazz were built to lose this year. The argument was to let the young players play, but the Jazz never replaced talent for the other rotation spots that opened up when the young guns took the starters' minutes.
 
Here is the real problem with not going into the draft: For someone like Parker or Embiid, their rookie contract is ridiculous. It isn't real money. It's pocket change.

They will make their money on their second deal. IF you wait a year, you put your second deal off a year. What happens if the CBA changes? What happens to your third deal? Look at Deron. If he had waited a year or two, there is no way he gets that extension from Brooklyn, costing him 80 million dollars.

That is what you give up when you stay in school a year. Had Deron stayed in school one more year, he probably would have lost 30+ million dollars on his third deal.

Is 30 million worth the "college experience"? Nope. They will declare.
 
Look at next year's roster:

Burke, nothing
Burks, nothing
Wiggins, nothing
Kanter, Evans
Favors, Gobert

If you think that team is competing for the playoffs, you will be MASSIVELY disappointed. You could very easily keep this team just as terrible. Heck, starting Kanter over Marvin probably loses you 2-5 games right there.
 
By going back to school....

Marcus Smart probably dropped 3 or 4 spots,
Jared Sullinger with his back issues dropped 10 or more spots,
Perry Jones dropped like 24 spots,
Terrence Jones dropped 5 or so spots
Harrison Barnes dropped 2 - 4 spots
GRIII will drop 5 - 10 spots at least
Mitch McGary, who knows?

Next year's draft is going to have some talented bigs at the top, including Okafor and Towns. Unless Parker has a POTY season, he's not going any higher next year.
 
green said:
Look at next year's roster:

Burke, nothing
Burks, nothing
Wiggins, nothing
Kanter, Evans
Favors, Gobert

If you think that team is competing for the playoffs, you will be MASSIVELY disappointed. You could very easily keep this team just as terrible. Heck, starting Kanter over Marvin probably loses you 2-5 games right there.
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When the Jazz are ready to compete again, they'll pick up FAs like Mo Williams, Randy Foye, DeMarre Carroll, etc., and they'll be back in business.

Look at the difference between Portland last year and this year. It's mainly through picking up a couple FAs and rebuilding the bench. The difference might be close to 20 wins.

Edit: I like that line-up you have. Now give them a real coach, a spot-up shooter and defensive player off the bench. They'll be in the playoff race, but it depends on how fast Wiggins progresses.
 
Catchall said:
When the Jazz are ready to compete again, they'll pick up FAs like Mo Williams, Randy Foye, DeMarre Carroll, etc., and they'll be back in business.

Look at the difference between Portland last year and this year. It's mainly through picking up a couple FAs and rebuilding the bench. The difference might be close to 20 wins.

Edit: I like that line-up you have. Now give them a real coach, a spot-up shooter and defensive player off the bench. They'll be in the playoff race, but it depends on how fast Wiggins progresses.
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1- wiggins won't be an all star next year.
2- if you get wiggins, and you can suck one more year, now you look like this:

Burke
Burks
Wiggins
Parker, Kanter
Favors, Gobert

Or

Burke
Burks
Wiggins
Favors/Kanter
Embiid/Gobert

So, if you win the lottery and Parker and/or Emibiid stay in school, tank again.
 
green said:
1- wiggins won't be an all star next year.
2- if you get wiggins, and you can suck one more year, now you look like this:

Burke
Burks
Wiggins
Parker, Kanter
Favors, Gobert

Or

Burke
Burks
Wiggins
Favors/Kanter
Embiid/Gobert

So, if you win the lottery and Parker and/or Emibiid stay in school, tank again.
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Nah. Teams at the bottom of the standings every year are there for a reason. This can't become our 'thing'.
 
Jazzfan0124 said:
Nah. Teams at the bottom of the standings every year are there for a reason. This can't become our 'thing'.
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So, if you draft Wiggins, and Parker and Embiid stay in school, you are going to sacrifice a shot at a title for, "Nah, teams at the bottom are there for a reason"?
 
green said:
So, if you draft Wiggins, and Parker and Embiid stay in school, you are going to sacrifice a shot at a title for, "Nah, teams at the bottom are there for a reason"?
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This current team + new coach + Wiggins is not a top 3 worst record.
 
You guys completely undervalue how much Kanter has hurt this team and how much Hayward and Williams have helped, sadly enough.
 
Remember, if Lindsey's goal is a title, and we aren't skipping steps, and the only model that we can realistically follow is OKC's, then we will suck again next year.

Plus, adding Wiggins to the team will sell seats. Even if we are losing just as much as this year.

And the NBA is printing money right now.

Now is the time to tank. The only model we can follow to win a title is OKC's. Expect another rough year next year, only this time, Lindsey will remove the Williams, Jefferson and Hayward's.
 
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