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This bill made me curious

I don't know if I'm serious or not. Just a thought that popped in my head. What about my cop example:

A cop with a HS diploma has a son who now has to get a college degree to be a cop. Other than $20,000-$50,000 in student loans, what did we accomplish?

A cop who is moderately computer-literate and can be more effective in investigations, among other things. The job of a police officer has grown much more complex over the years.
 
So, what do they really get?

heyhey gave some great points, I'll try to supplement them after paying him that suppliment.

I'm serious here. Other than the debt, what has that younger cop gotten? Both cops went through the Police Academy. Both cops learned what they need to learn in the Police Academy.

40 years ago, we didn't have Miranda warnings, our search and seizure routines were haphazard, and interrogations were often brutal.
We decided we wanted a more civilized way of dealing with criminals. That requires police capable of dealing with abstract principals like the right to silence, the sanctity of personal property, and the methods of non-violent interrogations. Even if you don'[t deal with these specific abstractions in your college education, college is where you go to learn to apply and use the process of abstraction generally.

Another example: most doctors in the world are bachelors degrees. Why do we require ours to obtain doctorates? What does the Dr learn in his undergraduate studies that makes it essential to becoming a Dr? Other than the debt, what did we do for the Dr?

As I understand it, you are advocating for, basically, going directly from high school to the equivalent of medical school, and skipping the undergraduate school in between. I've never worked for a medical school. However, I'm confident they have good reasons for not only admitting college graduates, but showing a preference for certain majors over other majors. To my understanding, mathematics is one of the best majors for a prospective doctor. That indicates a preference to the ability to engage in pattern detection and quantitative reasoning.

Same with school teachers. It used to be, to be a school teacher, all you needed was a teaching certificate. Now, most places want a bachelors degree. My sister did her bachelors in education. She didn't learn calculus. She didn't take extra history or english or literature or writing classes. So, what was the point? Other than the debt she came out of school with, what did she really come away with that teacher's in the past were so desperately missing?

I did take a couple of education classes. We learned about child psychology, developmental stages, and methods of successful communication (it seems you can't treat most kids like adults after all).

Take a look at the list of degrees offered by most colleges and universities. What good are they? Most are completely useless. So, what is this huge advantage we are getting over being more educated?

With some degrees, the practical benefit is immediate. With others, the benefit is general, but applies widely. There are also some where you have to be very creative in crafting and applying the skills you have learned. For example, we don't need many professional philosophers, but we could certainly use more decision makers who carefully thought out the consequences of their positions. I think Congress would benefit by balancing out the lawyers with a few philosophers.

... we aren't less ignorant by any stretch of the means.

But, hey, at least we can read about what Kim Kardashian is up to, right?

I use technology every day that my grandfather would have been perplexed by (and he was a pretty smart guy). We are less ignorant, overall, than the American populace of 150 years. In fact, every few years, they make IQ tests a little more difficult (look up the Flynn effect).
 
A cop who is moderately computer-literate and can be more effective in investigations, among other things. The job of a police officer has grown much more complex over the years.

Because you need to spend $20k to become "moderately computer-literate."
 
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I like it.

Don't have a lottery in Utah though we could sell weed in the state liquor stores. Think that would cover it?

Or maybe the Mormon ****ing Church could pay? I mean, you know with all the tax breaks and tithing they're getting. I think they'd make more of a societal impact than all the ******** missionary work they do.
 
Or maybe the Mormon ****ing Church could pay? I mean, you know with all the tax breaks and tithing they're getting. I think they'd make more of a societal impact than all the ******** missionary work they do.

Tax breaks are a legitimate point of discussion but damn that's an angry post. I don't mind missionaries except the fat ones. Give those kids a moped already.
 
I don't mind missionaries except the fat ones. Give those kids a moped already.

Yeah, I always wonder, why are those dudes fat when all they do is ride them bikes? Everytime I pass those kids, I always yell out, "Go Jazz!"
 
Lots of missionary hate up in here.
 

You have to get confessions with psychological manipulation instead of brute force. You need to know when searches are appropriate and when they are not. Etc. We've reversed it somewhat in the past few years, but you still need to know a lot more today than in the 1950s.
 
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