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14th Tank Platoon

Core4 said:
You don't think they tried to trade RJ and Marvin? $8M and $11M are not tradeable contracts, especially for their production. How many teams that are trying to make the playoffs had cap space to take on those two? Now had they been making close to the vet minimum, there would have been a market for them.
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We do not know if they did or not. Expiring contracts are attractive to teams going into this free agency class. But who knows...
 
Core4 said:
I'm trying not to get too excited. Even IF Orlando or Boston win, Utah has at least another win in them. So the tie might be temporary. It would be nice to see LAL win over the GS Cheaters.
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blazers, nuggets, lakers, t-wolves

You might be right but I see no reason why we can't lose all of those games.
 
Stoked said:
We do not know if they did or not. Expiring contracts are attractive to teams going into this free agency class. But who knows...
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Examine the trades that were made. Only a couple of teams made significant deals. Cleveland tried to get better by trading for Hawes. Indiana got Turner. The rest were swaps for SG's or bit players. There weren't really any deals for purely expiring contracts, unless you count the Turner for Granger deal. But Turner is a FA, IIRC, so even that wasn't a true "we'll give you assets for an expiring contract" deal.

Expiring contracts have minimal value under the new CBA. Contracts are shorter and most teams have already made their cuts. I believe only 4 teams were in the luxury tax for 2013/14 (Brooklyn, NY, Miami and Lakers) and they had already committed to those salaries and were not trying to make cuts to get under. Of the teams positioning themselves for FA, some, like the Lakers, have already set themselves up. Then there's the question of who has a bloated contract that a team doesn't want? In the trade thread, we exhausted the list of possibilities that may have made any kind of sense for Utah and the other team. I think there were only a couple and they were long shots at best.
 
cowhide said:
I see your point however none of those scenarios helps GS miss the playoffs.
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Golden State (48-30) - @LA Lakers - @ Portland - Minnesota - @Denver

Dallas (48-32) - Phoenix - Memphis
Memphis (46-32) - Philadelphia - @LA Lakers - @ Phoenix - Dallas
Phoenix (47-31) - @San Antonio - @ Dallas - Memphis - @ Sacramento

Here's the only hope as I can see it that won't involve any tiebreakers. . . Golden State needs to slump and lose all 4 of their remaining games. Don't see that happening, so this is probably a totally moot point. Dallas needs to beat Phoenix, but then lose to Memphis. Memphis needs to beat Philadelphia, the Lakers and the last game against Dallas. Phoenix needs to win at least two. I don't think they beat San Antonio, and we need Dallas to win at least one more game, so I have them beating Memphis and Sacramento. That scenario would leave Golden State with 48 wins and the other three with 49. These numbers shift if Phoenix can win against San Antonio or if any of the three teams have a tie-breaker over the GSW if they end up tied.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look too good at all. The Jazz probably could have had more of an influence in causing the Tankers to end up in the Lottery if they'd been more ruthless in the offseason. Looks like they're being nice and professional might have cost the Jazz about 10 spots in this draft.
 
Ellis269 said:
Unfortunately, it doesn't look too good at all. The Jazz probably could have had more of an influence in causing the Tankers to end up in the Lottery if they'd been more ruthless in the offseason. Looks like they're being nice and professional might have cost the Jazz about 10 spots in this draft.
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Hinkie has been planning the sixers tank since last years draft I'm sure he did his damndest to acquire beans. They would have unloaded him and Rj with or without our help. We got 4 draft picks. This was a good move for us.
 
Core4 said:
You don't think they tried to trade RJ and Marvin?
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Nope i dont think they really wanted to trade them. I think the jazz value thier experience and veteran leadership for the young guys too much.
Gotta develop that winnig culture lol.
 
heyhey said:
Hinkie has been planning the sixers tank since last years draft I'm sure he did his damndest to acquire beans. They would have unloaded him and Rj with or without our help. We got 4 draft picks. This was a good move for us.
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I'm not saying that it wasn't, because it was. If fact, it looks like the best possible trade that the Jazz could have pulled off at any level this past offseason. I just think that it could have been better with a couple of tweaks.

At the time that it happened, I was hoping for Bazemore instead of Rush. Bazemore is a glorified cheerleader, but he's also a defensive specialist and the Jazz could have used that. The Warriors would have been stuck with Rush (who was worthless this year) until they could flip him in one of the many moves that they made this year. I bet that it still would have cost them a win or two (which might have been the difference between making and missing the playoffs). They eventually flipped Bazemore and Brooks for Blake - which is likely how Rush would have been used as well.

The bigger mistake by the Jazz was helping Randy Foye get the deal that he wanted by turning the whole thing into a three-way sign and trade deal between Denver, Golden State and Utah. Without doing that, Golden State is probably stuck just signing Iggy outright, which totally screws up their cap and kills their chances to add any depth guys like O'Neill, Speights, etc. It would have effed up their mid-level exception too. Even if the Jazz had just waited to do their own sign-and-trade with Denver after the Iggy deal went down they could have pulled off getting another asset for a guy they had no reason to get one for and made it so that the Warriors bench would have been MUCH worse than it was this year.
 
The old Hollinger rankings show that GS is 99.7% certain to make the playoffs.

That Dallas win was absolutely critical to them and Curry pulled it out. What an ***.
 
Avery said:
The old Hollinger rankings show that GS is 99.7% certain to make the playoffs.

That Dallas win was absolutely critical to them and Curry pulled it out. What an ***.
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GS has to lose every game and then everything else would have to fall just right.

I guess we can look to 2017. GS has a lot of infighting right now. Jackson will be let go. Maybe the team disintegrates over the next few seasons and Curry demands a trade.
 
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