Yesterday - Bundy Ranch

[Scat]

Yet, I'm the SOLE person on this board, apparently, that believes **** needs cleaned up. I'm sorry, but most of you guys just haven't done anything big enough in life to counter what your teachers taught you.

The divide of respect between me, alone, and this board has obviously become quite wide.

I'm not arguing that **** does not need to be cleaned up. You and I are not far apart in this belief. Just that in this particular case there is a very weak argument. It's not like the fees paid to the federal government for grazing on public lands were just implemented. They were implemented in 1978. The militias and supporters that converged on Bunker Hill this past week did not help their cause by picking such a poor representation of their grievances.

I completely understand and agree that the federal government has over reached the scope and bound of what the founding fathers ever intended. Militias and protesters simply need to better pick and choose their battles. This was a poor choice.

It was also a poor decision on the part of the feds to position snipers at this protest. Hands down, this is the worst decision made in this debacle.

That said, does it bother anyone else that the federal government is buying millions and millions of rounds of ammo through the IRS and USPS along with other federal agencies that really don't need to buying ammo?

 

[TroutBum]

I'm just frustrated, really. I went down to the bundy's thinking what douche bags they were.. then I met them. Then I thought these 'militia'.. what douche bags they must be... then I met them. I just wish we could have ALL experienced it together (I mean that). I'm a changed person for it. I really am. I will never again trample on the 'little people' .. as I have done most of my 'career.' I am sickened by me.. and all others that I have joyfully manipulated in the past for financial gain. I guess I may be becoming somewhat of a democrat (gasp)... but with conservative RULES in place that **** gets done for the majority.

Serious question: how do you think a guy, growing up in a staunch Mormon, conservative family, winds up as a left leaning douchebag? Probably because we have been there, so to speak. We survived because the government was there during tragedy. We lost our homes. We lost our jobs. We went from the top to the bottom. The view of the world is a lot different from down there than it is from up where you've spent the majority -- if not all -- of your life. You talk about the amazing things you do as if none of us have ever lifted a finger in the cause of helping our fellow man. I gotta tell you bro, us lefty douchebags have been supporting and fighting for the rights of "Bundy's" since time out of mind. So go ahead, pat yourself on the back a little more, tell us how douchey we are, and then maybe go enjoy a few laps in the Money Bin, Mr. McDuck.

Sorry, I'm busy cutting off my dick with a cattle branding iron for sounding like Thriller. Keeping promises to myself atm...

Ain't that the truth. I got the email that said, "The Thriller Liked a post of yours on JazzFanz" and immediately rethought my position on this issue.

 

[TroutBum]

I'm so getting fired.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It is sickening to see people, LDS people, totally ok with screwing everyone over in the game of making a buck. It is shocking.

Glad to see you have arbitrarily singled out one religion. I would bet LDS people are no more likely to screw anyone over than are Catholics, Protestants. Muslims or atheists.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Serious question: how do you think a guy, growing up in a staunch Mormon, conservative family, winds up as a left leaning douchebag? Probably because we have been there, so to speak. We survived because the government was there during tragedy. We lost our homes. We lost our jobs. We went from the top to the bottom. The view of the world is a lot different from down there than it is from up where you've spent the majority -- if not all -- of your life. You talk about the amazing things you do as if none of us have ever lifted a finger in the cause of helping our fellow man. I gotta tell you bro, us lefty douchebags have been supporting and fighting for the rights of "Bundy's" since time out of mind. So go ahead, pat yourself on the back a little more, tell us how douchey we are, and then maybe go enjoy a few laps in the Money Bin, Mr. McDuck.



Ain't that the truth. I got the email that said, "The Thriller Liked a post of yours on JazzFanz" and immediately rethought my position on this issue.

So the left is for individual rights and the right is for more government rule? Hmmm...that's not what I've seen in the last 6 years. Govt is much bigger and more intrusive into our lives than ever before.

 

[Scat]

Sooooooo...

Let me get this straight...

Somehow I'm supposed to cheer on some idiotic redneck who probably belongs to the KKK who believes they he is entitled to use federal land however he wants?

Wow. What a patriot. Someone who I can really get behind.

Hopefully, this ends peacefully and the Feds are able to build the solar farm. If not, then hopefully we wipe out these idiotic rednecks without a single casualty for the Feds. I'm tired of these wack job rednecks impeding the progress of this country.

Wow... just wow. This is hands down the most retarded post I have ever read on this site... and that is saying something. Did you really just advocate the killing of American citizens so that a solar farm could be built?!? If American citizens disagree with the federal government just kill them so they can do what they want??? YOU and your ilk are just as disturbing, if not more so, than anybody associated with this week's events. Good job on being an ill rationed radical.

 

[green]

Glad to see you have arbitrarily singled out one religion. I would bet LDS people are no more likely to screw anyone over than are Catholics, Protestants. Muslims or atheists.

Living in Utah, where most of my dealings are with Mormons, makes it so this is really the only religion I can single out. I don't know what it's like to do business with those others that you mentioned.

I think the funniest was I saw an obituary of someone who owed me over two grand. A line read, "he always paid his debts off" and then something about honesty after that.

I thought about sending that to his estate, with his bill that was 18 months old. Ha ha.

 

[fishonjazz]

Btw, this was the worst titled thread in the history of ever.

Woulda read it if it was titled "Govt taking dudes cows, militia en route to defend" or something like that.

"Free speech zones" screams "one brow/pearl watson/ Jim les thread. STAY OUT!!!"


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Great ****ing post!

 

[TroutBum]

So the left is for individual rights and the right is for more government rule? Hmmm...that's not what I've seen in the last 6 years. Govt is much bigger and more intrusive into our lives than ever before.

As usual, you completely miss the point. You're like my six year old, who just loves to walk into a room, listen to what my wife and I are talking about for three seconds, and then give us her opinion of the subject. Go to your room.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I have an idea.

I was always anti-Bundy but then smelled patriotism in the process... you 'guys' (lol) only see bad guys to your Robin.

Anyway, how about I pick up Trout in the morning (that lives here, but hasn't done dick to experience ****.. yet talks big) and we head to the ranch.

Will anyone be persuaded by Dave if he returns a new man.. a new paradigm??

 

[fishonjazz]

I have an idea.

I was always anti-Bundy but then smelled patriotism in the process... you 'guys' (lol) only see bad guys to your Robin.

Anyway, how about I pick up Trout in the morning (that lives here, but hasn't done dick to experience ****.. yet talks big) and we head to the ranch.

Will anyone be persuaded by Dave if he returns a new man.. a new paradigm??

persuaded how?
Im not sure myself and many of us disagree with you about anything.

You said yourself that bundy should have paid what he owed or the law should take his cows. (I agree)

You said the the law went way overboard when it came time to enforce the law. (I agree)

You said that the militias and bundy supporters are good people. (I believe you and have no reason to think otherwise)

 

[Dr. Jones]

Nm

 

[Dr. Jones]

persuaded how?
Im not sure myself and many of us disagree with you about anything.

You said yourself that bundy should have paid what he owed or the law should take his cows. (I agree)

You said the the law went way overboard when it came time to enforce the law. (I agree)

You said that the militias and bundy supporters are good people. (I believe you and have no reason to think otherwise)

Stfu.. jump in the truck, bring weed and yogurt, and see for yourself bro. Time yall "see." (Like I recently have)

 

[The Midnight]

I have an idea.

I was always anti-Bundy but then smelled patriotism in the process... you 'guys' (lol) only see bad guys to your Robin.

Anyway, how about I pick up Trout in the morning (that lives here, but hasn't done dick to experience ****.. yet talks big) and we head to the ranch.

Will anyone be persuaded by Dave if he returns a new man.. a new paradigm??

I'd be impressed if you can persuaded him to GO to the ranch in the first place.

 

[fishonjazz]

Stfu.. jump in the truck, bring weed and yogurt, and see for yourself bro. Time yall "see." (Like I recently have)

Sounds like alot of fun and i would really love to go but i have to work. This is my long week too and my wifes bday is thursday.

60 hour work week this week :-(

 

[TroutBum]

I have an idea.

I was always anti-Bundy but then smelled patriotism in the process... you 'guys' (lol) only see bad guys to your Robin.

Anyway, how about I pick up Trout in the morning (that lives here, but hasn't done dick to experience ****.. yet talks big) and we head to the ranch.

Will anyone be persuaded by Dave if he returns a new man.. a new paradigm??

I haven't done dick to experience ****. I see.


Whelp, not much more I can say on this particular subject I guess.

 

[UGLI baby]

If trout doesn't go to the Bundy farm with PKM he should be banned from jazzfanz.


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[Scat]

Sounds like alot of fun and i would really love to go but i have to work. This is my long week too and my wifes bday is thursday.

60 hour work week this week :-(

The path to hell is paved with good excuses (or something like that)

 

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If trout doesn't go to the Bundy farm with PKM he should be banned from jazzfanz.


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It's already well-known that Trout doesn't go anywhere without PKM checking things out beforehand. Even then, he's unlikely to show.

 

[cowhide]

Done posting on the subject here. You're welcome for sharing the behind the lines stuff. I'm sick of a lot of stuff... not excluding a younger generation of liberal-minded douche bags.

I NEVER ONCE said the Bundy's were in the right... but I do hope this situation makes those in leadership think twice about the decisions they make and how willing some few will hold them accountable.

This isn't an issue of non-voters.. it's an issue of ultimate accountability. AGAIN, whether right or wrong, or voices are meant to be heard. To me, this was an EXTRA loud voice. I never once thought Bundy was in the right, not once. I stated from the beginning that he should have been immediately arrested and his cattle sold for payment.

But I am also sick and ****ing tired of POS politicians either too crooked to deny or too stupid to see they're being puppets for the nations elite.. or worse.

**** you guys, srsly.

Wow you been drinking PKM? Nice to allow others to have a difference of opinion. While you might not have said the actual words, your support for the Bundy's side certainly says volumes about your position. The name calling simply makes me think we've touched a nerve besides making you sound like one of those dumb *** teabagger racists who continuously talk about how they've lost all these freedoms since there is a black man in the white house and since they are the real americans they are going to stand up to this oppressive administration....******** while going around and threatening to over throw the gov't because they don't get their way. See it is easy to call other people names but I guess that is what you have to do when you are wrong.

The only reason why the gov't made a big deal about it was because a bunch of redneck anti-government people showed up with guns crying about their civil liberties being taken away when all the evidence showed they were breaking the law. If the Bundies had either stopped using the land or payed the permit fees nothing would have happened. The victim card gets really old when you aren't the victim. This is the last I will say on this issue too unless you want to continue it.

Have a nice day.
signed old liberal generation member.