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LazyD said:
Just curious as to why you use andre drummond? I've seen this Okafor kid play exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds, but from what I gather, he's the complete opposite of Drummond. High on skills and low on athleticism.
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i never considered drummond a great athlete. he is a good athlete. i brought up drummond because their size and built is very similar - wide body, long arms, massive core and lower extremity. okafor will be carrying around 280lb like it's nothing in the nba.

drummond is a very good talent, but he just doesn't have the offense. if drummond had okafor's offensive potential then he would be a legit 20/13 guy by now.

so better drummond means a legit 20/13 type which is worthy of top 3 pick THIS YEAR.
 
Fabtrey said:
i never considered drummond a great athlete. he is a good athlete. i brought up drummond because their size and built is very similar - wide body, long arms, massive core and lower extremity. okafor will be carrying around 280lb like it's nothing in the nba.

drummond is a very good talent, but he just doesn't have the offense. if drummond had okafor's offensive potential then he would be a legit 20/13 guy by now.

so better drummond means a legit 20/13 type which is worthy of top 3 pick THIS YEAR.
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Weird. I've always seen Drummond as a great athlete. I guess they're both big, but I just don't know how he compares to Drummond other than that. Other than the size of their bodies they seem like complete opposites to me.
 
LazyD said:
Weird. I've always seen Drummond as a great athlete. I guess they're both big, but I just don't know how he compares to Drummond other than that. Other than the size of their bodies they seem like complete opposites to me.
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This is how I feel as well, but I don't dare fight the mighty Fabtrey.

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LazyD said:
Just curious as to why you use andre drummond? I've seen this Okafor kid play exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds, but from what I gather, he's the complete opposite of Drummond. High on skills and low on athleticism.
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Don't know if I'm supposed to be sad or happy that you're just starting to figure out that faptree is talking out of his ***.
Comparing players by their body type, not their skillset :D

That's also the beauty of the ignore option on jazzfanz. You don't miss the MVP type 'can't miss' statements.
 
BTP said:
That's also the beauty of the ignore option on jazzfanz. You don't miss the MVP type 'can't miss' statements.
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Umm......theres an ignore option? This changes everything. Where do I find this glorious god send?
 
LazyD said:
Weird. I've always seen Drummond as a great athlete. I guess they're both big, but I just don't know how he compares to Drummond other than that. Other than the size of their bodies they seem like complete opposites to me.
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Have you not realized that Fabtrey only cares about measurements?
 
Bodhi said:
Umm......theres an ignore option? This changes everything. Where do I find this glorious god send?
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Setting -> Edit Ignore List

On top it shows you the already ignored users. Then you add BTP in the user name text box and proceed with okay :D
 
In '05, we moved up from 5 to 3 by fleecing Portland to grab Deron Williams. W/O question one of the best transactions in our franchise's history. Similar situation in that draft - there were 4 marquee players (Bogut, Marvin lol, Deron and Chris Paul) and we were on the outside looking in at #5.

This year is similar - there is a clear cut big 3 (Wiggins, Parker, Embiid), plus a wild card (Exum)....and then everyone else after that seems to be regarded as a tier below (Randle, Vonleh, Smart, Gordon, etc.)

Hypothetical question for the board: let's say we land at 5 come draft night, but DL in his infinite wisdom decides we must secure a top 3 pick to land our next megastar. Anyone have any guesses on what it would take to move from 5 to 3 (or 4 to 2) in this year's draft?

My guess is AT LEAST the GSW pick and our unprotected 1st rounder next year. I can also see Kanter or another future 1st being part of that package (I don't see us moving Hayward, Burke or Favors).

If we're sitting at #4 come draft night and we can move #4 + GSW + next year's unprotected 1st for #2, I pull the trigger. In a millisecond.
 
bigmike said:
In '05, we moved up from 5 to 3 by fleecing Portland to grab Deron Williams. W/O question one of the best transactions in our franchise's history. Similar situation in that draft - there were 4 marquee players (Bogut, Marvin lol, Deron and Chris Paul) and we were on the outside looking in at #5.

This year is similar - there is a clear cut big 3 (Wiggins, Parker, Embiid), plus a wild card (Exum)....and then everyone else after that seems to be regarded as a tier below (Randle, Vonleh, Smart, Gordon, etc.)

Hypothetical question for the board: let's say we land at 5 come draft night, but DL in his infinite wisdom decides we must secure a top 3 pick to land our next megastar. Anyone have any guesses on what it would take to move from 5 to 3 (or 4 to 2) in this year's draft?

My guess is AT LEAST the GSW pick and our unprotected 1st rounder next year. I can also see Kanter or another future 1st being part of that package (I don't see us moving Hayward, Burke or Favors).

If we're sitting at #4 come draft night and we can move #4 + GSW + next year's unprotected 1st for #2, I pull the trigger. In a millisecond.
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I would guess #5 to #3 would take something bigger.. Favors even. Could be a disaster for a GM trading away #3.
 
bigmike said:
In '05, we moved up from 5 to 3 by fleecing Portland to grab Deron Williams. W/O question one of the best transactions in our franchise's history. Similar situation in that draft - there were 4 marquee players (Bogut, Marvin lol, Deron and Chris Paul) and we were on the outside looking in at #5.

This year is similar - there is a clear cut big 3 (Wiggins, Parker, Embiid), plus a wild card (Exum)....and then everyone else after that seems to be regarded as a tier below (Randle, Vonleh, Smart, Gordon, etc.)

Hypothetical question for the board: let's say we land at 5 come draft night, but DL in his infinite wisdom decides we must secure a top 3 pick to land our next megastar. Anyone have any guesses on what it would take to move from 5 to 3 (or 4 to 2) in this year's draft?

My guess is AT LEAST the GSW pick and our unprotected 1st rounder next year. I can also see Kanter or another future 1st being part of that package (I don't see us moving Hayward, Burke or Favors).

If we're sitting at #4 come draft night and we can move #4 + GSW + next year's unprotected 1st for #2, I pull the trigger. In a millisecond.
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If we are on the outside looking in, I would absolutely love to move up...but I think someone will have to overpay big time for it. It will take a proven good/great player to move up at the "chance" for a possible great player. Risky move.
 
Farmer.Tan said:
If we are on the outside looking in, I would absolutely love to move up...but I think someone will have to overpay big time for it. It will take a proven good/great player to move up at the "chance" for a possible great player. Risky move.
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I would be tempted to trade our #5 plus anyone on our team for a top3. Crazay.
 
bigmike said:
In '05, we moved up from 5 to 3 by fleecing Portland to grab Deron Williams. W/O question one of the best transactions in our franchise's history. Similar situation in that draft - there were 4 marquee players (Bogut, Marvin lol, Deron and Chris Paul) and we were on the outside looking in at #5.

This year is similar - there is a clear cut big 3 (Wiggins, Parker, Embiid), plus a wild card (Exum)....and then everyone else after that seems to be regarded as a tier below (Randle, Vonleh, Smart, Gordon, etc.)

Hypothetical question for the board: let's say we land at 5 come draft night, but DL in his infinite wisdom decides we must secure a top 3 pick to land our next megastar. Anyone have any guesses on what it would take to move from 5 to 3 (or 4 to 2) in this year's draft?

My guess is AT LEAST the GSW pick and our unprotected 1st rounder next year. I can also see Kanter or another future 1st being part of that package (I don't see us moving Hayward, Burke or Favors).

If we're sitting at #4 come draft night and we can move #4 + GSW + next year's unprotected 1st for #2, I pull the trigger. In a millisecond.
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The problem with this thinking is there is a very good chance Randle is the best player in the draft. He came in with Wiggins, Parker and Gordon and was better than all of them. I'm not sure why they are going to catch him anytime soon.

Perhaps the thing to do would be for the team with the 3rd pick to trade down to #5. You walk away with a future 1st and and the top guy from the 2014 class.

Having said that, I'm not convince Randle is the best player, but I also don't understand why anybody thinks there is a significant gap between him and Wiggins, Parker and Embiid.

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seattlejazzfan said:
The problem with this thinking is there is a very good chance Randle is the best player in the draft. He came in with Wiggins, Parker and Gordon and was better than all of them. I'm not sure why they are going to catch him anytime soon.

Perhaps the thing to do would be for the team with the 3rd pick to trade down to #5. You walk away with a future 1st and and the top guy from the 2014 class.

Having said that, I'm not convince Randle is the best player, but I also don't understand why anybody thinks there is a significant gap between him and Wiggins, Parker and Embiid.

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I just don't see Randle being explosive enough .. that simple.
 
fishonjazz said:
Me too.
An elite athlete even
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Drummond is an elite athlete? lol GTFO.

i don't use 'elite' words often. Shaq was an elite athlete. drummond who is 50lb lighter than laker shaq is not even half the athlete than out of shape shaq was.

only elite athletic center in the league right now is dwight and maybe deandre jordan.
 
Fabtrey said:
Drummond is elite? lol GTFO.

i don't use 'elite' words often. Shaq was an elite athlete. drummond who is 50lb lighter than laker shaq is not even half the athlete than out of shape shaq was.

only elite athletic center in the league right now is dwight and maybe deandre jordan.
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Im gonna resist the urge to discuss this with you and instead go with.... agree to disagree
 
drummond is a physical specimen. shaq would've been just a physical specimen if he didn't have his ridiculous athleticism. he would be just a jared sullinger times 1.5
but shaq moved like prancing buffalo in a gazelle's feet. if you call drummond an 'elite athlete' then you have to call Shaq, a Godly athlete.

IMO, there are about 8-9 elite athletes in the nba right now. drummond isn't in it. i just hate throwing the words 'elite'.

historically

wilt
dr. J
MJ
kemp
nique
d robinson
shaq
vince
bron
shaq
d rose
westbrook

etc, etc. there aren't many.
 
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