OFFICIAL: Utah Jazz will not offer Ty Corbin a new contract

[cctrackstar]

-sigh- I have always been a Ty Corbin supporter, and even though I am sad it didn't work out, I do understand some of it. He didn't adjust well, and he took things too personally. He also had that Vet fetish that got in the way of truly motivating his young talent. Young players like to feel special, and how can they if there is some old guy only getting half the points that they are starting in front of them. And if I were Ty, I wouldn't have played Marvin after the first quarter seeing as that is when he did most of his scoring. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see who we get now, but honestly, I am actually leaning towards discontinuing my dish service and just catching a game every now and then at the arena or a friends house. That's what losing has done to me as a fan, guess I am not die hard after all.

 

[fishonjazz]

-sigh- I have always been a Ty Corbin supporter, and even though I am sad it didn't work out, I do understand some of it. He didn't adjust well, and he took things too personally. He also had that Vet fetish that got in the way of truly motivating his young talent. Young players like to feel special, and how can they if there is some old guy only getting half the points that they are starting in front of them. And if I were Ty, I wouldn't have played Marvin after the first quarter seeing as that is when he did most of his scoring. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see who we get now, but honestly, I am actually leaning towards discontinuing my dish service and just catching a game every now and then at the arena or a friends house. That's what losing has done to me as a fan, guess I am not die hard after all.

Good post except the part about not watching the jazz as much.

The future is bright and exciting!

 

[Jazz Spazz]

It doesn't bother you that he sabotaged the Jazz' chances at a higher draft pick on his way out the door?

I keep seeing this. You can't claim Corbin is a bad coach then claim he magically won a game all by himself at the end of the season to sabotage the Jazz draft.

He sabotaged the Jazz by starting the young players and sticking with the usual timing of his rotations?

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

He sabotaged the Jazz by starting the young players and sticking with the usual timing of his rotations?

Of course it was sabotage. Once it was certain that one more loss would lock in the 4th spot, trying to win that game by returning the starters to the court at the end? What other explanation is there? There was nothing to gain and only lottery balls to lose. Whatever the hell his motives were, he put them above the future well-being of the team. =Sabotage.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

He sabotaged the Jazz...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE

 

[jazzrule]

Every every every day I check'd all the sites looking for this GGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOD news. Finally a breath of fresh air, and no more listening to Franklin's crap on Corbin.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Of course it was sabotage. Once it was certain that one more loss would lock in the 4th spot, trying to win that game by returning the starters to the court at the end? What other explanation is there? There was nothing to gain and only lottery balls to lose. Whatever the hell his motives were, he put them above the future well-being of the team. =Sabotage.

The backups went in the game in the 3rd with an 8 pt lead, and were "pulled" in the 4th at the usual time with a 9 pt lead. After the starters (who fans have screamed for more time all year) were back in the game is when Minny tied the game up to send it into overtime.

It's pretty obvious to me some of you fans have your reason clouded by the haterade you've been drinking. You should blame the players more than Corbin.

So, let me get this straight. Corbin is a jerk for trying to win games all year by playing the "vets" more than he should in an attempt to win and ruin the tank. The last few games of the season Corbin starts the young players as fans have wanted all year, and keeps his rotations pretty much the same between starters and the bench. He does the same in the last game except this time the team is up by 8-10 even when the bench is in the game. He stays with his rotation and puts the vets in who lose the lead and the game goes into overtime. Corbin didn't do anything differently than all of the other losses other than not starting williams or jefferson. Corbin doing the same thing all year is now all of a sudden sabotage???

Corbin obviously ruined it for the Jazz Nation when he took Burks and Evans out and played Jefferson in the overtimes and Thomas in the 2nd overtime. Maybe he knew Thomas 2 to's, 2 pts, and pf would make all the difference for the Jazz in winning. What a jerk.


The explanation is that he did what he has done all year, except this time the players played well enough to win partially because Kevin Love didn't care or try. You want to blame someone for winning that game, blame Burke or pretty much any of the players. Corbin didn't implement any different or magical x's and o's plays other than what he has tried to get the players to do all year.

 

[Getting Traded]

The backups went in the game in the 3rd with an 8 pt lead, and were "pulled" in the 4th at the usual time with a 9 pt lead. After the starters (who fans have screamed for more time all year) were back in the game is when Minny tied the game up to send it into overtime.

It's pretty obvious to me some of you fans have your reason clouded by the haterade you've been drinking. You should blame the players more than Corbin.

So, let me get this straight. Corbin is a jerk for trying to win games all year by playing the "vets" more than he should in an attempt to win and ruin the tank. The last few games of the season Corbin starts the young players as fans have wanted all year, and keeps his rotations pretty much the same between starters and the bench. He does the same in the last game except this time the team is up by 8-10 even when the bench is in the game. He stays with his rotation and puts the vets in who lose the lead and the game goes into overtime. Corbin didn't do anything differently than all of the other losses other than not starting williams or jefferson. Corbin doing the same thing all year is now all of a sudden sabotage???

Corbin obviously ruined it for the Jazz Nation when he took Burks and Evans out and played Jefferson in the overtimes and Thomas in the 2nd overtime. Maybe he knew Thomas 2 to's, 2 pts, and pf would make all the difference for the Jazz in winning. What a jerk.


The explanation is that he did what he has done all year, except this time the players played well enough to win partially because Kevin Love didn't care or try. You want to blame someone for winning that game, blame Burke or pretty much any of the players. Corbin didn't implement any different or magical x's and o's plays other than what he has tried to get the players to do all year.

Guess you didn't watch the same game I did, but Minny was quickly catching up when Corbin pulled the plug and put in the starters. All he had to do was leave the guys out on the court who were playing and it would've secured our lottery position. So, don't give us this crap that Corbin didn't try to win and sabotage our lottery position.

 

[Doublea]

Corbin and the players job's is to win...

 

[SojoDave]

I find it interesting that when the Jazz have good news, they roll out Greg and Gail and all the Jazz cronies. Dennis Lindsay was all by himself. He did an awesome job at the press conference, but there was no one there from ownership.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

The explanation is that he did what he has done all year...

One additional loss cemented the Jazz' chances in the lottery. After 81.5 games and the Boston loss there finally was absolute certainty. It was time to stop doing what he has done all year and take the loss, for the future good of the franchise. Duh.

The rest of your post is arguing points I didn't make and never have made. I'll let someone else handle those.

 

[green]

Good points, and lets not forget max deals are 4-5 years now. This is huge difference from those cap killing 7 year max's. I would match whatever comes his way. He does not have an injury history and if a few teams think he is a max guy, barring injury or an epic collapse, he would retain that value for another 8 months if we decided to move him

The only reason I would not resign Hayward is if I end up with the 5-7th pick and didn't think the guy I drafted could carry a team to a title. Then I let Hayward walk and tank again next year and either get my superstar, or turn the team into the Pistons (a ton of top 5 picks that aren't superstars).

 

[green]

I agree. There may be some duplication. Perhaps the opportunity comes up to trade a big for a better PG. Or maybe a PG (if the BPA this draft were Smart or Exum) for a SF, etc. Maybe Gobert blows up in the next few years and becomes a starting 5. Then Favors or Kanter are likely traded. Or maybe they have a player on the cusp of a big payout and decide they can't keep everyone and trade him for picks.

This team is eerily developing like Memphis under Hubie Brown. They amassed a lot of nice players, truly 2 deep at every position (which Utah can be in the next two drafts and a FA or two). But they felt they didn't have a "go-to" player other than Pau Gasol and tried to rework the team. Never got back to their 2003-04 record, despite bringing in vets. Then they imploded in 2006-07, eventually traded Pau and struggled for three years until Randolph came in to team up with Marc Gasol and Hollins was hired.

Moral of the story: Jazz need to acquire an all-star quality veteran, even if it costs them two very good, but not great players and bring in a top coach.

One more argument for Lionel Hollins.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Corbin and the players job's is to win...

Yes, but not just the game he happens to be coaching at the moment. There are also future games to win. Improving the talent on the team will help to win games next season and beyond.

To be fair to Corbin, his lame duck status made it more difficult for him. Management should have

* either extended his contract another year, and then fired him at the end of this season, or
* fired him after the hopeless start of this season and brought in the new guy on a multi-year deal so he could carry out the tank properly.

But they didn't. Too cheap maybe? Or maybe they figured that Corbin would do what they wanted even as a lame duck, to demonstrate his loyalty to the franchise to impress a different future employer. Alas.

 

[green]

If you think a coach is going to walk into ESA and set up a system in year one then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Next year will likely be a step back as far as schemes and complexity goes.

There's a big myth here that Steve Clifford has found a way to hide Al Jefferson in his defensive schemes (so much hate and vitriol will lead to crazy *** notions like this). If you read Clifford's interviews you'll see how asinine this suggestion is, right from the horse's mouth. Clifford, like every good coach, has installed a base NBA defense and relies on his on-ball defenders to limit the amount of double teams they have to use. He has stated several times that he could do more stuff, but his team isn't ready for more complex rotations. There success is all credited to MKG's elite defense, and solid ball stoppers elsewhere.

Those expecting a new coach to bring success are going to have another miserable season on their hands.

This. We have a bunch of young guys, with bad habits offensively and defensively. A new coach will be taking baby steps next year. Take away vets, who know how to prepare for games and be ready night in night out, and replace them with more young guys....

We won't be a lot better unless the roster is completely remade.

 

[franklin]

Golden State stayed healthy until the very end, now the Lakers are going to jump the Jazz in the lottery. Karma is haunting the Jazz for the dirty way they did Corbin.

 

[green]

Corbin and the players job's is to win...

Not the last game of the year, in a situation that would significantly improve your odds of getting a lot better.

 

[Stifle Tower]

One more argument for Lionel Hollins.

I'm on the Lionel train.

 

[JAZZGASM]

The Jazz had several systems, and there playmaking made several noticeable improvements throughout the season. The problem is most fans are like you and don't know enough to recognize a system. A little education would go a long way.

DL said at the start of this season that he would judge Corbin on how well the team does defensively, and not on the W/L column. Any team can be taught to play solid defense. I'm not saying we could have been top 5 in defense, but maybe top 13 (where the Suns, who have less talent, ended up in defense). Dead last is inexcusable.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Golden State stayed healthy until the very end, now the Lakers are going to jump the Jazz in the lottery. Karma is haunting the Jazz for the dirty way they did Corbin.

Well, Karma should have known Lindsey was planning to dump Corbin. But Karma gave the Jazz the "coin flip" over Boston. BTW, the odds ARE that at least one team will jump over Utah in the lottery. In fact, there's actually a higher chance of falling back to the 5-7 range (52.3%) than there is of winning one of the top 3 spots or remaining at #4. So not karma, just plain simple statistics.

Also, it could be argued that GS actually underachieved this season. They actually DIDN'T stay healthy until the end. While it's true Curry and Thompson were "warriors" (pun intended), Lee, Bogut, Iguodala and others all missed quite a few games. GS was expected to challenge for home court; they didn't. And if they lose in the 1st round, Jackson could be out of a job for underachieving, same as what happened with Hollins.