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Darkwing Duck said:
He's unnecessarily lumping. Widespread generalization of "the negro" is no different than using "Today's blacks," with the exception that the reception of the terminology he used has more furor. It wasn't just the language used that was offensive, it was the message as well. He could have just said, "Blacks are lazy, but it's better than it was." Would have meant basically the same thing.
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Then deride the stupidity of it. His life focused on ranching, that's the area of life he is educated in, not being a media PR queen. Those two paragraphs posted above are his lead-in to that other stuff, and he is basically saying that he wants to free those people from government. Which makes any racial spin absolutely absurd. Then he continues with a little kooky comparison about blacks on welfare that he's most familiar with, North Las Vegas blacks, and wonders if they might be better off under slavery to support his previous comments. But he was clearly referring to the prison of an unoccupied mind, nothing else.

then he finishes off his thoughts with this:

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.
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The reality is he is a sloppily spoken advocate of other/different kinds of people. The farthest thing from a racist.
 
THat is indeed much different than what was portrayed Duck.

Still extrememly idiotic the way he words himself.
 
Stoked said:
THat is indeed much different than what was portrayed Duck.

Still extrememly idiotic the way he words himself.
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He's a bit of a nutter, I have no problem saying that. I have nothing invested in the guy personally. If I did, I would've tried defending him yesterday. But my first thought was that he didn't just start ranting about welfare and slavery out of nowhere. He sounded wrong to me yesterday, but I knew there was going to be some context to come later.

But the issue is that he's a like a candidate for political office now because he's a public figure for the moment being and at least half the country can't stand the guy, so the attack dogs are breathing down his neck. We've had terrorist thrown at him, racist..... Next, he'll be accused of screwing hookers at the Bunny Ranch or something. He's a womanizer. Sexist pig. Anything to take away from the matter at hand.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Then deride the stupidity of it. His life focused on ranching, that's the area of life he is educated in, not being a media PR queen. Those two paragraphs posted above are his lead-in to that other stuff, and he is basically saying that he wants to free those people from government. Which makes any racial spin absolutely absurd. Then he continues with a little kooky comparison about blacks on welfare that he's most familiar with, North Las Vegas blacks, and wonders if they might be better off under slavery to support his previous comments. But he was clearly referring to the prison of an unoccupied mind, nothing else.
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I don't see how it's relevant to his case anyway.

Even in the extreme, it's a stupid connection. HE'S A RACIST, SO HE SHOULDN'T GRAZE CATTLE.

Makes me hope he's wrong in his case, perhaps, but that particular news item is uninteresting to me in the long run.
 
Can we get back to the point?

That there are the most powerful politicians in America conspiring to run these ranchers off the land for profit...

If you can do it transparently, fine. But to do this, is disgusting;

- Have law firms masquerading as environmentalist groups sue the BLM to protect a species
- Have BLM do the dirty work to act on said lawsuit and force ranchers to reduce herds
- Sell the non-clouded federal water rights and the land to the highest bidder (with an already-arranged agreement to remove the 'issue' of the endangered species
- rinse and repeat

Every one of you that don't care that this is going on (let's just assume for a moment I'm right.. I am) don't deserve the freedoms you do enjoy.
 
PKM said:
Can we get back to the point?

That there are the most powerful politicians in America conspiring to run these ranchers off the land for profit...

If you can do it transparently, fine. But to do this, is disgusting;

- Have law firms masquerading as environmentalist groups sue the BLM to protect a species
- Have BLM do the dirty work to act on said lawsuit and force ranchers to reduce herds
- Sell the non-clouded federal water rights and the land to the highest bidder (with an already-arranged agreement to remove the 'issue' of the endangered species
- rinse and repeat

Every one of you that don't care that this is going on (let's just assume for a moment I'm right.. I am) don't deserve the freedoms you do enjoy.
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That's so dickish it isn't even funny.

Every conspiracy story of this type isn't new, even if it is true. Every other week on 60 minutes there's a story with exploit x law or individual for profit. When it's a specialty cause, especially outside of the U.S., people get labeled as "bleeding heart liberals" if they care about it. This story is no more compelling than any other of its ilk. It only is for you because you're emotionally invested in it. Get off your high horse and quit doing the act. A person who really cared about this issue wouldn't be trying to make book deals and such and would actually WAIT to show proof rather than try and tease to get more viewers and more profit. Kind of embarrassing.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
That's so dickish it isn't even funny.

Every conspiracy story of this type isn't new, even if it is true. Every other week on 60 minutes there's a story with exploit x law or individual for profit. When it's a specialty cause, especially outside of the U.S., people get labeled as "bleeding heart liberals" if they care about it. This story is no more compelling than any other of its ilk. It only is for you because you're emotionally invested in it. Get off your high horse and quit doing the act. A person who really cared about this issue wouldn't be trying to make book deals and such and would actually WAIT to show proof rather than try and tease to get more viewers and more profit. Kind of embarrassing.
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That's the weak *** America I've come recently to know. WAIT. <----------- yeah, a LOT of that.

Just because it's widespread abuse doesn't make it right. And if I have to be dickish about it to change it, I'm willing. I don't give a **** whether it's right or left, at ALL. I only care that we all stop sleeping while elected officials rape us.

I DO have proof.. in spades. But you and others of your ilk will gladly discount the information because it's too much work to find the truth. MUCH easier to say meh..
 
PKM said:
Just because it's widespread abuse doesn't make it right.
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Yeah, so why weren't you like this on the countless other claims of governmental abuse? You didn't pipe up about those so you don't deserve the freedoms you do enjoy.

And if I have to be dickish about it to change it, I'm willing. I don't give a **** whether it's right or left, at ALL. I only care that we all stop sleeping while elected officials rape us. [/quote]

Being a dick in this thread so far has gotten you where? More specifically the comment I bolded? You're not inciting to arms with your behavior. You're getting dismissed as too emotionally involved. You're HURTING your case by being dickish.



I DO have proof.. in spades. But you and others of your ilk will gladly discount the information because it's too much work to find the truth. MUCH easier to say meh..
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Which you haven't provided. Now, I understanding timing can be very important in cases like this. But continuing "I HAVE PROOF I HAVE PROOF I HAVE PROOF" and being unable to provide proof gets you dismissed. What you really need to do is shut your proverbial trap until you can actually provide said proof. Doesn't matter that you have it (true or no). Until you provide it, it's worth the same amount as what I flushed a couple hours ago.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Yeah, so why weren't you like this on the countless other claims of governmental abuse? You didn't pipe up about those so you don't deserve the freedoms you do enjoy.



Being a dick in this thread so far has gotten you where? More specifically the comment I bolded? You're not inciting to arms with your behavior. You're getting dismissed as too emotionally involved. You're HURTING your case by being dickish.





Which you haven't provided. Now, I understanding timing can be very important in cases like this. But continuing "I HAVE PROOF I HAVE PROOF I HAVE PROOF" and being unable to provide proof gets you dismissed. What you really need to do is shut your proverbial trap until you can actually provide said proof. Doesn't matter that you have it (true or no). Until you provide it, it's worth the same amount as what I flushed a couple hours ago.
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Your inability to properly quote makes this difficult to follow, but I'll give it a go.

Tbh, I've just recently woken up about these things. I too was passive. I was too busy getting mine. I had no interest in worrying about others. I was self-absorbed, almost completely. I've only recently began to worry about the greater good. I guess I'm saying I have always been a taker.. and now I'm seeing America has too many of them that need reined in.

I have a lawsuit/investigation pending that I won't compromise by offering details here. I don't blame anyone for not taking my word for anything, and I mean that. But that doesn't mean my convictions are baseless or unwarranted.

I don't want to be a dick, but I'm willing. There is a difference.
 
PKM said:
Tbh, I've just recently woken up about these things. I too was passive. I was too busy getting mine. I had no interest in worrying about others. I was self-absorbed, almost completely. I've only recently began to worry about the greater good. I guess I'm saying I have always been a taker.. and now I'm seeing America has too many of them that need reined in.
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Some of us have them. Paradigm shifts. Sometimes these shifts are part of a larger change within ourselves that affects our outlook on everything and sometimes it's just a change in perspective. While I don't have a reference for the level of self-absoprtion you had, I do understand thinking in terms of the greater good. The changes in outlook I've experienced I rarely vocalize but I understand where you're coming from. Was there a catalyst for the change?

E.J. Wells said:
Totally off topic, but I love being a dick.
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What does this exactly mean? Barring your participation on this message board, what other opportunities in your daily life do you have to be a dick?
 
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