Hantlers explains why things are the way they are on reservations

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I think he meant to call her a running little ****.

You should be able to figure out what it says.

obvi

just funny how that all worked out

 

[fishonjazz]

obvi

just funny how that all worked out

You're a good dude lazy

 

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You're a good dude lazy

I know it's teh ambien speaking, but thanks fish

 

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It is often based on who I happen to be talking to at the moment actually. So the generic "people" seems apropriate.

The fact that it is always black people that pop into yours and your misconception that that is always how it must be is what I find interesting.

Again, if when you received the same stimulus, your initial reaction is completely different every time, the one with the remarkable brain is you, sir. We develop these images by habit and repetition. That your brain is immune to these things is almost super-human.

 

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hahahaha. Don't be mad that I called you down from your soap box to borrow it for a minute. You are the jazzfanz king of this. Multiple people have told you this.

Yes, you always call me out on what I don't say, because you have no direct arguments. Like here, where all you looked at was the initial paragraph, and not the more substantive content later on.

 

[Stoked]

Again, if when you received the same stimulus, your initial reaction is completely different every time, the one with the remarkable brain is you, sir. We develop these images by habit and repetition. That your brain is immune to these things is almost super-human.

I'm sorry that you imagine black people every time. That must suck.

 

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You would have to prove that. Opinion has no place with the assertions you are making.

And even then, you would have to prove that the word welfare=image of poor black person (have to gender identify in that case, since you're being specific and all, which makes me wonder why you're not chirping about welfare being sexually charged against women or men) equates to complaining about welfare being racially charged or motivated, to which the correlation doesn't immediately exist.

Example. The term "professional basketball player" might bring up an image of a tall, black man. Firstly, that doesn't mean 100% of professional basketball players are tall, black men. Secondly, complaining about professional basketball players, say they're selfish ball hogs in comparison to their amateur equivalents, does not imply that black people are selfish ball hogs. That correlation does NOT exist unless you can prove that, and providing mass media as an explanation with no sourcing provides zero conclusiveness, just full speculation, which is pretty useless to explain the assertion you're making.

There's probably an argument for the welfare debate being sexually charged, as well. Since I'm not making it, why don't you? If you are not interested, who are you to tell my what topics I need to discuss?

I'm confused what correlation you think I am talking about in the third paragraph.

Which of the following do you think is not true?
1) That most of the images regarding welfare recipients in this country are black?
2) That the initial images we attach to meanings and phrases has an effect on our reactions to those meanings and phrases?

 

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I'm sorry that you imagine black people every time. That must suck.

I'm sorry that you think you are super-human. That must suck.

As a suggestion, take a visit over to Project Implicit, where they do tests to see how prone you are to these initial reactions. You won't show any biases, right?

 

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I'm sorry that you think you are super-human. That must suck.

As a suggestion, take a visit over to Project Implicit, where they do tests to see how prone you are to these initial reactions. You won't show any biases, right?

Nope not super human at all. Just don't buy into all your hogwash.

Why go take a test about how racist one is or isn't? I'd rather just go on being nice and fair to those I meet. I know that must be hard for you. If it helps you can think of me as black.

 

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"Clearly, people are so afraid to post their REAL feelings, they overcompensate by making pictures of white people." -- OneBrown

Check again. When, among the pictures, you look at the people being portrayed as welfare recipients (as opposed to politicians, etc.), they are overwhelmingly black. This is especially clear on the third link.

 

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The interesting picture I saw in those was this one:

Not linking the page since it has a bad word in the article. Can extrapolate some things, but still not to the overreaching point that's trying to be made in this thread so far.

There was a link to the original study, which has no bad words I can tell:

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/17m7r1rq#page-6

Some highlights:

· Sixty-two percent of poverty stories that appeared in TIME, Newsweek and U.S. News
and World Report featured African-Americans.
· Sixty-five percent of network television news stories about welfare featured African-
Americans.
· Fewer African-Americans are portrayed in "sympathetic" stories about poverty and
welfare
· Newsmagazines depict almost 100 percent of the "underclass" as African-Americans.

First, seeing a woman in the news story actually decreased opposition to welfare spending. Second, exposure to a welfare queen in the news significantly increased support for negative characterizations of African-Americans by an average of 10 percent.

True to form, exposure to the full confirmation of the script (i.e. black Rhonda) increased opposition to welfare spending by five percent and showed a 10 percent rise in an attribution of cause to individual failings. Likewise, white participants who watched the welfare story with the black Rhonda were more likely to hold negative views of African-Americans than those who did have a visual cue. Contrary to expectations, however, exposure to the white Rhonda produced the biggest increase in anti-black sentiment. That is, watching a story with the white Rhonda increased negative depictions of blacks by 12 percent compared to the black Rhonda and by 23 percent over the story without a picture.

 

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Honestly ...

OK. I will take you at your word.

 

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Nope not super human at all. Just don't buy into all your hogwash.

You should buy into it because of me. My hope is that you will do the research yourself, even if the only reason is to dispute something in an educated fashion. In this case, you are claiming your brain works differently than almost any human brain studied. Don't you at least want to learn how typical human brains work?

Why go take a test about how racist one is or isn't?

You don't believe in learning about yourself?

I'd rather just go on being nice and fair to those I meet. I know that must be hard for you.

It is hard for me, but after I put in the effort to learn about my prejudices and racism, it became easier, and I was able to focus my efforts better. I understand you are comfortable in your delusion that you are "nice and fair" to everyone, perhaps so much that you don't want to know if this is not true.

 

[VINYLONE]

Posting in thread.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm sorry that you think you are super-human. That must suck.

As a suggestion, take a visit over to Project Implicit, where they do tests to see how prone you are to these initial reactions. You won't show any biases, right?

I thought it sounded interesting so I just started this assessment and I already see an issue. If I were doing this in the real world I would develop an algorithm to assess the scores and put all of the scores into the spreadsheet to get my dividing point. I am supposed to consider all areas equally so there would be no need for weighting, simple math. But now I have to consider each person individually without even seeing what the averages are or being prepared to evaluate based on the objective criteria. Seems like they are purposely skewing the results. They may as well just put up the pictures with zero criteria and ask you to pick which ones you prefer to look at. I can easily skew this however I want depending on the pictures I choose to pick. Just pick all the ethnic people and I will show no biases. With no way to accurately assess the criteria against other applicants it is all guess work. Maybe that is the point, so show that you like to look at people of your own race? Kind of silly really.

 

[LogGrad98]

I guess I have a hard time picking white and black people out of a crowd from their eyes. My results were inconclusive.

 

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I thought it sounded interesting so I just started this assessment and I already see an issue. ... Kind of silly really.

Doesn't sound like the tests I took a few years ago. Those were based on reaction times. If you had taken time to choose, it would have invalidated your score. Perhaps I have confused two different websites.

 

[franklin]

Again, why would they choose a life of poverty if they thought they could have more? You keep repeating "why bother try for more", but you don't answer "why settle for poverty"? They don't like having new cars/trucks, larger houses, better food?

Wasn't keeping their old world culture the reason for reservations in the first place?

 

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Wasn't keeping their old world culture the reason for reservations in the first place?

Are you suggesting that in the various native American cultures before the Europeans arrived, the cultures did not view having larger houses and better food as desirable? I'll grant there were no cars and trucks. I'm not an expert, but that does not fit into what very little I know of Native American culture, and fits into the Noble Savage stereotype a little too neatly.

 

[moevillini]

Are you suggesting that in the various native American cultures before the Europeans arrived, the cultures did not view having larger houses and better food as desirable? I'll grant there were no cars and trucks. I'm not an expert, but that does not fit into what very little I know of Native American culture, and fits into the Noble Savage stereotype a little too neatly.

no clue what's all been going on here, just want to add native (indigenous) American cultures tended to be very communal and had little interest in private ownership