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Looking for genuine discourse re: Donald Sterling/NBA

HighlandHomie said:
But I totally disagree about acceptability - it's not like this is a bigger story because more people are outraged whereas more people were okay with Schott. Not enough people knew about Schott.
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Ok, you might have a point. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm sure you could argue it one way or the other. You're definitely right on the changes in the media and the reach of the story.

Both Sterling and Schott are *****.
 
Is his rant about racism or jealousy?

He hates minorities so much the mistress he is screwing is of mixed race?

He kept saying he didn't want her to flaunt other relationships in front of him, but it was okay in private.

I ain't defending the philandering pig, but I don't get why it is a gang bang worthy to tell the racially mixed mistress he is screwing not to flaunt her relationships with other men in public.
 
PearlWatson said:
Is his rant about racism or jealousy?

He hates minorities so much the mistress he is screwing is of mixed race?

He kept saying he didn't want her to flaunt other relationships in front of him, but it was okay in private.

I ain't defending the philandering pig, but I don't get why it is a gang bang worthy to tell the racially mixed mistress he is screwing not to flaunt her relationships with other men in public.
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The way it sounded to me was he was concerned about how his contemporaries would feel about her behavior. Sounds like he thinks this is bad rep in his circle. Her hanging with black people apparently makes him look bad to his peers.
 
VINYLONE said:
Of course most people here remember her. But that was almost 20 years ago she made those comments. Times have changed, people have changed, acceptability in terms of speak has changed. People don't want to hear that garbage anymore.
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Nobody wanted to hear it then either. She was practically run out of town, in spite of massive charitable contributions to a couple hospitals and cultural institutions and barred from involvement in team operations, practically forced to sell her stake in the Reds.

But my point was that she freely made her comments in public. She did not have someone secretly taping a conversation and then selling it to the equivalent of the National Enquirer.
 
candrew said:
Sterling's a racist douche but I hate to think we live in a county where things you say in the "privacy" of your own home in front of (supposedly) loved ones can cost you your livelihood.

It also bears mentioning that after listening to the tape I have no doubt in my mind it was made for the express purpose of blackmailing him by his now ex-girlfriend.
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Agree that Sterling has "freedom of speech," However, he does not necessarily have freedom of consequences. If I were to spew what he said to a colleague at work, in a workplace that has many African Americans, I shouldn't necessarily expect that friend to hold everything in strictest confidence. Sterling isn't some redneck who owns a bar that caters to rednecks. He has bought an exclusive franchise which by it's nature comprises some 70-80% or so (fill in the correct percentage, I'm just approximating) of the very ethnicity he disparages.

Was he set up? Sure. This "lady" is a gold digger. She trades sex for fancy cars and an expensive condo. Sterling's estranged wife is trying to prevent any more outflow of cash (and she's not exactly a saint, either). The mistress sees the well is running dry and wants to squeeze out more cash and protect what she already has.

And poor Silver is caught between a rock and a hard place. Neither he nor the other owners have any authority to force Sterling to sell the team. Sterling is meeting the financial obligations; therefore the league cannot seize the Clippers. Most Silver can do is fine and suspend him ($1M limit IINM). And expect Sterling to sue in return. This mess has to be solved by sponsors, agents, players and fans. If all the sponsors cancel; if agents and players refuse to sign with the Clippers and those under contract demand trades; if corporations cancel their luxury boxes; if fans stop by tickets...then Sterling will be forced to sell.
 
Core4 said:
Agree that Sterling has "freedom of speech," However, he does not necessarily have freedom of consequences. If I were to spew what he said to a colleague at work, in a workplace that has many African Americans, I shouldn't necessarily expect that friend to hold everything in strictest confidence. Sterling isn't some redneck who owns a bar that caters to rednecks. He has bought an exclusive franchise which by it's nature comprises some 70-80% or so (fill in the correct percentage, I'm just approximating) of the very ethnicity he disparages.

Was he set up? Sure. This "lady" is a gold digger. She trades sex for fancy cars and an expensive condo. Sterling's estranged wife is trying to prevent any more outflow of cash (and she's not exactly a saint, either). The mistress sees the well is running dry and wants to squeeze out more cash and protect what she already has.

And poor Silver is caught between a rock and a hard place. Neither he nor the other owners have any authority to force Sterling to sell the team. Sterling is meeting the financial obligations; therefore the league cannot seize the Clippers. Most Silver can do is fine and suspend him ($1M limit IINM). And expect Sterling to sue in return. This mess has to be solved by sponsors, agents, players and fans. If all the sponsors cancel; if agents and players refuse to sign with the Clippers and those under contract demand trades; if corporations cancel their luxury boxes; if fans stop by tickets...then Sterling will be forced to sell.
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Great post. He was assuredly setup but he said the words.
 
LazyD said:
The way it sounded to me was he was concerned about how his contemporaries would feel about her behavior. Sounds like he thinks this is bad rep in his circle. Her hanging with black people apparently makes him look bad to his peers.
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I thought of that too, but that doesn't quite make sense either.

She is his mixed race mistress. If his "peers" were racist, why would her hanging with blacks hurt him with his peers more than screwing around with her?
 
PearlWatson said:
I thought of that too, but that doesn't quite make sense either.

She is his mixed race mistress. If his "peers" were racist, why would her hanging with blacks hurt him with his peers more than screwing around with her?
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Your first mistake is looking for logic in the mind of a bigot.
 
LazyD said:
The way it sounded to me was he was concerned about how his contemporaries would feel about her behavior. Sounds like he thinks this is bad rep in his circle. Her hanging with black people apparently makes him look bad to his peers.
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His friends are obviously racist, and were giving him **** that his side piece was banging some black people. He's obviously paying her for sex, and companionship…so she's basically a hooker, and he thinks that he has the right to tell her what to do. He wasn't even mad that she was banging the black people, he was mad that she was posting about it.

This was all about jealousy/embarrassment for him. Is it despicable that he's racist? Absolutely. However, one of the only things more despicable is all of the people feigning outrage now, when it's been known that this dude has been a racist for years.
 
Hantlers said:
However, one of the only things more despicable is all of the people feigning outrage now, when it's been known that this dude has been a racist for years.
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So, people who ignore(I suppose we ought to pretend that everyone follows the NBA and that the Clippers had been in the news before 2012) racism are more despicable than racists themselves? Even by your standards, this is dumb.
 
Hantlers said:
I really enjoyed this article by Kareem…read it if you're interested.

https://time.com/79590/donald-sterling-kareem-abdul-jabbar-racism/
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Great article. Who knew he could write like that? Loved this bit:

And now the poor guy’s girlfriend (undoubtedly ex-girlfriend now) is on tape cajoling him into revealing his racism. Man, what a winding road she led him down to get all of that out. She was like a sexy nanny playing “pin the fried chicken on the Sambo.” She blindfolded him and spun him around until he was just blathering all sorts of incoherent racist sound bites that had the news media peeing themselves with glee.
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JimLes said:
So, people who ignore(I suppose we ought to pretend that everyone follows the NBA and that the Clippers had been in the news before 2012) racism are more despicable than racists themselves? Even by your standards, this is dumb.
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Yeah, who would have thought people posting on a Jazz board would follow the NBA?

It probably never made the news the owner of an NBA team was getting sued for racial discrimination. It also probably never made the news when his former GM sued him for wrongful termination because of age and race.

If you followed the NBA at all, and I'm going to go ahead and assume that the majority of people here do, then you knew Sterling was a racist. Don't act like you care now.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Great article. Who knew he could write like that? Loved this bit:
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Another good bit. Anyone who hasn't read this piece yet should.

So, if we’re all going to be outraged, let’s be outraged that we weren’t more outraged when his racism was first evident. Let’s be outraged that private conversations between people in an intimate relationship are recorded and publicly played. Let’s be outraged that whoever did the betraying will probably get a book deal, a sitcom, trade recipes with Hoda and Kathie Lee, and soon appear on Celebrity Apprentice and Dancing with the Stars.
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