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Following potential 2014 draftees

BTP said:
If you wouldn't pimp 90% of the prospects and select 1 to hate then you pimping someone would have weight. BUt well, the other 89% of guys you pimp ain't look so good. How's that? Why aren't you speaking about that?
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Are you talking about last year's draft? Of all the players taken in the lottery, the players I only liked were MCW, Burke and Steven Adams (a kiwi). I wanted someone to take KCP before us, so one of the players I liked would fall to us.


I never "pimped":

Bennett
Oladipo
Porter
Zeller
Len
Noel
McLemore
McCollum
Olynyk
Bazz


I challenge you to go find any posts of me pimping any of these players.


And please never talk out of your *** ever again.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Are you talking about last year's draft? Of all the players taken in the lottery, the players I only liked were MCW, Burke and Steven Adams (a kiwi). I wanted someone to take KCP before us, so one of the players I liked would fall to us.


I never "pimped":

Bennett
Oladipo
Porter
Zeller
Len
Noel
McLemore
McCollum
Olynyk
Bazz


I challenge you to go find any posts of me pimping any of these players.


And please never talk out of your *** ever again.
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Donald Sterling pimps all his players, tbh. Oh wait, he doesn't have any.
 
Core4 said:
Hibbert averaged 30 mins/per. He's 12th in terms of centers. As reference, "old man" Tim Duncan still averages 29 mins/per.
Simply not true that Vogel played any of those guys too much, including George (36 mins) and Stephenson (35 mins).
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What? Since when has Hibbert been Tim Duncan?

Every player has different minute capacities and it's obvious Hibbert exceeded his this year.
 
I know things will probably change, but right now it seems like a clear dropoff is forming after pick four. If it stays this way I would almost rather have the fifth pick than the fourth. The team picking fourth will have very little choice whom they draft--they'll just take whichever player falls--whereas the team picking fifth will have their choice among five or six guys without sacrificing too much value.

Don't get me wrong... Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, and Exum are my four favorite players in the draft, but it wouldn't surprise me if the player picked fifth has a better career than the top tier player picked right before him. For a player to succeed his team must be fully committed to him, and sometimes that doesn't happen in cases where his perceived value forces a team's hand.

Recent examples include Michael Beasley, Evan Turner, and Derrick Williams. These guys were all the second best player in supposed 'two-player drafts'. The teams that drafted them didn't really have a choice. I'm trying to think of other examples farther down in the draft. If I remember right wasn't there another pretty clear dropoff after pick eight in the 2010 draft? The Clippers pretty much had to take Aminu, and nobody knew what the Jazz were going to do with the ninth pick. Utah and Indiana had their pick of the remaining field, so maybe it's no surprise that Hayward and George have gone onto have better careers than some of the guys picked ahead of them.

Not saying I wouldn't prefer to move up or stay at fourth, but if we drop to fifth I'm going to try to see it as a blessing in disguise (after breaking a few things, of course).
 
fishonjazz said:
I have never seen saric before but doesnt randle also have better size?
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Not really. Fairly comparable size actually…I just think Saric has much better skills.

All Randle can do is score (kind of) and rebound.

Saric can score, rebound, pass/create, and while his defense isn't exactly strong, it is most certainly better than Randle's.
 
mct said:
I would almost rather have the fifth pick than the fourth.
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Strangest comment I've seen in a long time. If you get the fourth pick and don't want Exum, trade down and get the guy you want. Also possible the Embiid and/ or Exum fall from top 4. (Embiid's back, Exum's downside). The consensus does not necessarily line up with the front office (Remember where last year's consensus number one Noel was drafted?
 
Hantlers said:
Not really. Fairly comparable size actually…I just think Saric has much better skills.

All Randle can do is score (kind of) and rebound.

Saric can score, rebound, pass/create, and while his defense isn't exactly strong, it is most certainly better than Randle's.
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If you think all Randle can do is rebound and score in the post, I challenge you to watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqhuK___3PA#t=33

- 0.10min: Randle right elbow, drive, spun in the lane, passed out to a 3pt shooter

- 0.24min: Randle with 3pt shot top of the key

- 0.30min: Randle up top of the 3pt line, drive to the paint - kicked it out to 3pt shooter for an open corner 3pt

- 0.55min: Handling the ball top of the key, drove into the lane, basket and foul

- 1.05min: Inside scoring

- 1.40min: Randle top of the 3pt line, open 18 footer - good.

- 2.05min: Inside scoring

- 2.24min: Running the floor, receives pass and finish strong

- 2.45min: Again, handling the ball in open floor, quick pass to a shooter


And this is just off of a combined UK highlights of 1 random game. I simply don't have time to review a whole game, but hope you guys got the gist of it. Randle can handle the ball, can drive, can pass and make plays.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
If you think all Randle can do is rebound and score in the post, I challenge you to watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqhuK___3PA#t=33

- 0.10min: Randle right elbow, drive, spun in the lane, passed out to a 3pt shooter

- 0.24min: Randle with 3pt shot top of the key

- 0.30min: Randle up top of the 3pt line, drive to the paint - kicked it out to 3pt shooter for an open corner 3pt

- 0.55min: Handling the ball top of the key, drove into the lane, basket and foul

- 1.05min: Inside scoring

- 1.40min: Randle top of the 3pt line, open 18 footer - good.

- 2.05min: Inside scoring

- 2.24min: Running the floor, receives pass and finish strong

- 2.45min: Again, handling the ball in open floor, quick pass to a shooter


And this is just off of a combined UK highlights of 1 random game. I simply don't have time to review a whole game, but hope you guys got the gist of it. Randle can handle the ball, can drive, can pass and make plays.
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At least you picked a game against a terrible team that they beat by 34. Just saying.
 
silesian said:
Strangest comment I've seen in a long time. If you get the fourth pick and don't want Exum, trade down and get the guy you want. Also possible the Embiid and/ or Exum fall from top 4. (Embiid's back, Exum's downside). The consensus does not necessarily line up with the front office (Remember where last year's consensus number one Noel was drafted?
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He's just saying it sucks to be forced into taking someone because of popular opinion. But yes, I agree with you.
 
silesian said:
Strangest comment I've seen in a long time. If you get the fourth pick and don't want Exum, trade down and get the guy you want. Also possible the Embiid and/ or Exum fall from top 4. (Embiid's back, Exum's downside). The consensus does not necessarily line up with the front office (Remember where last year's consensus number one Noel was drafted?
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You missed my point. I like Exum a lot. The only thing I was trying to say is that if the division is strong enough, at fifth pick you have options and at fourth pick you have the leftover.

I know it is technically possible to trade down, but it requires the team at fifth to work with you and to also like the player who is left over. If it were simple it would happen more often.

Last year's draft was weird. Nobody knew what the Cavs were going to do and the consensus tiers were not nearly as defined. Even so it only further proves my point. The Cavs GM was fired for straying too much from the established order. He did it three times in a row with Thompson, Waiters, and Bennett, got criticized for it every year, and then got canned when none of the picks vindicated him. All the more reason for the team that picks fourth to just go with the obvious pick.

And I qualified my statement with 'almost' because given the choice I would still take fourth over fifth. I like all four of the top-tier guys and would happily roll with whichever one drops.
 
PKM said:
I still have Saric at bottom of lottery. Contrarian.
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Depends, if he does not commit to coming over he will probably be drafted late lottery by a team with mulitple picks, but if he did commit to coming over he will be top 10.
 
orangello said:
Last year that was his biggest flaw, his outside shooting. If that has truly improved he will be a good to great player in the NBA.

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
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8-16 the last two games. Trend has been getting better as season progresses. Does any of our Euro posters know if his season is now over?
 
John Crotty said:
At least you picked a game against a terrible team that they beat by 34. Just saying.
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Fine. This is a closer game against Louisville. Notice how most of what's on the highlights is Randle starting at the 3 point line and driving to score or looking to make plays. He has a decent handle, and he's just wayyyyy too big and strong and quick for the SF to handle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6sCTv0TGYw

- 0.05min: Randle iso on the 3pt line, dribble drive into the paint and SLAMS it

- 0.16min: Randle again up top, dribble around his defender, floater against shot blocker

- 0.43min: Randle again starting from the 3pt line, dribble penetration, rises up and banks it in off the glass

- 1.09min: Again, dribbles, gets into the lane, leaner over the shorter defender and in

- 1.36min: Randle receives the ball top of the key, spin move into the lane and hook shot over the defender
 
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