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NUMBERICA said:
What is his elite skill? Please don't say defense.

EDIT: I hope I eat **** for dogging on Favors. But I've seen 4 years of hype, and he regressed as the year went on. Can he play defense without fouling?
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I guess it would depend on what you mean when you say Favors is not a piece to build from. If you are saying "Let's build our team around someone like LeBron" then yeah, that is totally not in the same ballpark.

But if you like what Memphis has done with Gasol, or Washington with Nene and Gortat, then we could definitely have something like that. Obviously we don't have the number one star on our team yet, but we have some very valuable players. Favors had a decent season this year, and was usually the best player the Jazz had in any given game. I would say we have some valuable pieces to build on with the five young guys, and if we don't keep them all, then we have some valuable trade pieces.
 
Favors doubt is understandable, but I don't agree with it. He has shown improvement every year. His consistency is an issue, but given the team's lack of competitiveness this year (hard to stay motivated as player this year) I don't blame him that much.
 
b_line said:
I guess it would depend on what you mean when you say Favors is not a piece to build from. If you are saying "Let's build our team around someone like LeBron" then yeah, that is totally not in the same ballpark.

But if you like what Memphis has done with Gasol, or Washington with Nene and Gortat, then we could definitely have something like that. Obviously we don't have the number one star on our team yet, but we have some very valuable players. Favors had a decent season this year, and was usually the best player the Jazz had in any given game. I would say we have some valuable pieces to build on with the five young guys, and if we don't keep them all, then we have some valuable trade pieces.
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While Nene and Gortat are good, Washington is building around Wall and Beal.
 
Offensively, the Jazz need to build around someone who can really shoot and create for himself. They don't really have that player.
 
I'm watching the Warriors/Clippers game, and I have to think that Randle would be very effective in this type of open chaotic game. Teams can probably shut Randle down pretty well, but they'll have to game-plan and execute well to do it. His energy and ability to score around the basket puts a lot of pressure on the defense. When teams go to their small ball line-up, Randle might wreak havoc.
 
Catchall said:
I'm watching the Warriors/Clippers game, and I have to think that Randle would be very effective in this type of open chaotic game. Teams can probably shut Randle down pretty well, but they'll have to game-plan and execute well to do it. His energy and ability to score around the basket puts a lot of pressure on the defense. When teams go to their small ball line-up, Randle might wreak havoc.
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Catchall said:
I still like Vonleh just as much, but Randle's quickness and motor could pay dividends.
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Yah, also don't forget his hunger to win. It's infectious too.
 
I really want to see a workout with Vonleh and Randle. Considering that this is worst-case-scenario given our draft position (okay 99% our worst-case scenario), I feel pretty good about it.
 
Hantlers said:
While Nene and Gortat are good, Washington is building around Wall and Beal.
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For sure, but wall and beal can't play all five positions, and if they had real crappy players around them, the team would still suck. I was just commenting on the fact that we need more to a team than one guy you can build around. I also don't see that huge of a gap in the overall production of Derrick favors vs Bradley beal.

Disclaimer: I have seen about three minutes of Bradley beal playing basketball in my entire life, so definitely could be wrong here.
 
Bodhi said:
Eh, I'd say the truth lies somewhere in-between. I don't think we'll regret paying him his ~$10mil (yes, me personally paying him).
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I agree he's a good value for his contract. My only concern about him is him never developing a fire. Every now and then it comes out, but it's few and far between for my liking (and it's definitely a fair point that it's hard to evaluate anyone in terms of passion in the last season, though Burke seemed to want to win). If the guy could play like he's pissed off more often than not, damn he has the tools to be a force. Even a borderline all star.
 
NUMBERICA said:
1. Bona fide star
2. Whatever
3. Whatever

In other words, BPA and figure it out later. At last look, the Jazz have nothing to build around and depending on the direction, a bunch of possibly very good pieces to build with.
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I tend to agree. The Jazz have no stars now, so drafting for position is just insanity with that first pick. If it means someone else has to go, even my beloved Burks, so be it.
 
Core4 said:
I don't think it's skipping a step at this point to get some young, solid veterans. Take away the expirings (Biedrins, Rush, RJ), assume Lucas III is released and the Jazz likely have the youngest group in the league. I'm not saying you bring in an old guy. But definitely could trade for someone in their mid-to-late 20's. Maybe a guy just off his rookie contract that a team has to offload for cap/tax reasons.
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I don't want the Jazz abandoning the rebuild too early and start getting rid of our young guys or draft picks too soon. I know Kanter and Burks have been on the team three years but last year was really the only year they got consistent minutes. Heck I don't think Kanter got starter minutes. The Core5 haven't even played much together so if you start bring in retread vets like Jefferson and not play our top 5 pick or Core5 guys then the Jazz could end up making a huge mistake letting go of a player say like Burk and then end up regretting it. (See Chancey Billups).

I am ok with bringing in some vets for the bench as long as the new coach doesn't have the same mentality of playing less talent vets over our young guys. It is highly unlikely that the Jazz will make the playoffs in the West but the next step is to ensure the new coach installs a system that will define this team, play the Core8 together as much as possible and then after next year see where you can tweak the roster with vets. You have to realize that the Jazz still have Hayward, Burk, Kanter and Trey to re-sign and right now I think it would be a bad move to just start dumping these guys simply to add vets. Now if some fantastic trade or FA wants to sign with the Jazz then yea you have to part ways with some young players even before you know what they are. I think the Jazz will be skipping a step if they re-sign Marvin and bring in another vet who plays over the young guys. What does that get us? Another 8th seed and young guys who we don't know if they can or can't play.

Next: To hire the right coach to install the system that will be the trademark of this team for the next decade. To play our young guys and see if we can win with them. Improve 10-15 games.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Favors doubt is understandable, but I don't agree with it. He has shown improvement every year. His consistency is an issue, but given the team's lack of competitiveness this year (hard to stay motivated as player this year) I don't blame him that much.
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For me, he made a huge improvement from a year ago on offense, and at times looked like the best player on the team. I also think that getting a new coach will do wonders for him. I also feel that Kanter hung him out to dry, because of his none existent defense, and he has never played this amount of minutes. In my opinion he is still improving, and still has plenty of room to improve even more, and he will.
 
Nate505 said:
I agree he's a good value for his contract. My only concern about him is him never developing a fire. Every now and then it comes out, but it's few and far between for my liking (and it's definitely a fair point that it's hard to evaluate anyone in terms of passion in the last season, though Burke seemed to want to win). If the guy could play like he's pissed off more often than not, damn he has the tools to be a force. Even a borderline all star.
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Word. Hopefully when he actually gets on a competitive team, with regular minutes, he will develop that. I have a hard time blaming any of our players for their lack of fire this year with how dire the situation was in Utah. The team was obviously not happy with the coaching gameplan of playing slow and they knew management was against them winning, along with a large portion of vocal fans. Hard to get motivated, at least I would have a hard time, day in and day out getting pumped for games. He showed it against the big time opponents, which probably served as his only form of motivation. Ideally he would be able to do that every night, but he isn't on that level of competitiveness/sense of proving himself (he got an extension after all) unfortunately, but doesn't mean he can't be an all-star.

Really hope whoever our coach is next year really works with Favors on being a defensive captain. He really needs to learn how to be a vocal, Chandler-type where he can create energy for himself and the team on defense first. I saw him developing his offense this year where he could take advantage of mismatches (unlike previous years where teams could actually defend him with people like Matt Bonner) and he shows spurts of being able to put all his tools together to becoming a very good offense player.

Also, hopefully Burke gets more play-making responsibility (and in turn takes less shots) and Kanter starts taking 3's, giving Favors more pick n roll space.

Kind of really hope we sign George Karl because I think he is the smartest coach (available) in taking advantage his team's abilities on the offense end and always plays to his team strengths and doesn't stick to any stubborn preconceived style.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
For me, he made a huge improvement from a year ago on offense, and at times looked like the best player on the team. I also think that getting a new coach will do wonders for him. I also feel that Kanter hung him out to dry, because of his none existent defense, and he has never played this amount of minutes. In my opinion he is still improving, and still has plenty of room to improve even more, and he will.
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Biggest thing he did is he learned to take advantage of mismatches. I remember in previous years teams could guard him with scrubs (Matt Bonner) and he had no idea what to do. He learned when to overpower opponents and when to use his speed. Also saw a fairly dramatic improvement in his touch around the rim, which was something I was really worried about. He just has to put it all together now, which is on him mostly, but also on the new coach and our ball handlers.
 
Takes a ton of Vivanse to study for finals and write papers, get side tracked by how excited I am for next season. Problems a being obsessed with the Utah Jazz.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbVJEiVG4WY

If the Jazz are looking for shooting in the 2nd round Jabari Brown maybe the best option hes got a quick release is a proven volume 3pt shooter @41% and can attack closeouts. his measurements will be key, hasn't been measured officially in 4 years since he registered 6'3 in shoes, if hes anywhere near Missouri's listed height of 6'5 I'd expect him to move up to the top tier of the 2nd round picks
 
If the Jazz are looking for shooting in the 2nd round Jabari Brown maybe the best option hes got a quick release is a proven volume 3pt shooter @41% and can attack closeouts. his measurements will be key, hasn't been measured officially in 4 years since he registered 6'3 in shoes, if hes anywhere near Missouri's listed height of 6'5 I'd expect him to move up to the top tier of the 2nd round picks[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure we want two people on the Jazz named Jabari...:)
 
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