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orangello said:
For my own curiosity's sake, do you consider the U19 tournament an All-Star game?
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My problem with his experience in the U19 tournament is that while playing against other kids, he got 18, 3 and 3 on 44% FGs and 33% 3pt. That might be okay, if you're playing college ball (still underwhelming, but at least acceptable if you're a young player), but playing against other high school kids, you should be better than that.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
My problem with his experience in the U19 tournament is that while playing against other kids, he got 18, 3 and 3 on 44% FGs and 33% 3pt. That might be okay, if you're playing college ball (still underwhelming, but at least acceptable if you're a young player), but playing against other high school kids, you should be better than that.
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Some of those guys have played pro ball somewhere. I'd say it was a good test for him.

So, back to my question, do you consider that tournament a glorified all star tournament?

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seattlejazzfan said:
My problem with his experience in the U19 tournament is that while playing against other kids, he got 18, 3 and 3 on 44% FGs and 33% 3pt. That might be okay, if you're playing college ball (still underwhelming, but at least acceptable if you're a young player), but playing against other high school kids, you should be better than that.
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Most one and dones are 18 and 19. They are who we consider the creme de la creme of NBA prospects right? All the older college kids are there because they weren't good enough to go pro.

So one and dones are u-19 essentially.

Exum playing against U-19 kids, some of which have already been pro--what's the hang up?
 
Sexual Favors said:
Don't pretend you've seen any prospect in a real basketball game either. You've seen them playing a different game with different rules, in college games with other just-out-of high school kids who have talent, or older kids who couldn't even make the DLeague.

You're just salty because some of us Exum supporters have actually thought this through.
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If you don't think there is a huge difference between college experience or pro Euro and High School, there is no discussion to be had.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Most one and dones are 18 and 19. They are who we consider the creme de la creme of NBA prospects right? All the older college kids are there because they weren't good enough to go pro.

So one and dones are u-19 essentially.

Exum playing against U-19 kids, some of which have already been pro--what's the hang up?
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Those same college kids who weren't good enough to make the NBA, sent Parker and Wiggins packing. Whether they are good enough to play in the NBA or not, they are light years ahead of any group of High School age kids.
 
I think Exum will be good, but would seriously consider Smart over him. I cant wait until the combine and workouts begin. Smart is gonna rise. Top 5 pick.
 
orangello said:
Some of those guys have played pro ball somewhere. I'd say it was a good test for him.

So, back to my question, do you consider that tournament a glorified all star tournament?

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The U19 isn't technically an all-star tournament, but it isn't much more meaningful. Either way, Exum wasn't even very good in that tournament.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
If you don't think there is a huge difference between college experience or pro Euro and High School, there is no discussion to be had.
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Honestly, the difference isn't as great as you try to make it out to be. Granted, there is a difference, but it is not huge. If more college players were good enough to play pro overseas, they would. College game is overhyped, and is quite honestly equally as hard to scout from because of all the rules and styles that tend to mask (for better or worse) NBA potential.
 
Vermin said:
I think Exum will be good, but would seriously consider Smart over him. I cant wait until the combine and workouts begin. Smart is gonna rise. Top 5 pick.
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Exum might be the best player in the draft. Just because he's never played in real games doesn't mean he sucks (I know you're not saying that, but thought I should get it out there). I just think he's a huge risk top 4, and while guys like Randle, Vonleh, Smart, etc, are being picked apart because they've played tough games against good competition, Exum is just sitting back with a smile on his face comfortably in the top 4 because he's only played in all-star games or against other kids. We haven't seen his warts like we have everybody else.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Honestly, the difference isn't as great as you try to make it out to be. Granted, there is a difference, but it is not huge. If more college players were good enough to play pro overseas, they would. College game is overhyped, and is quite honestly equally as hard to scout from because of all the rules and styles that tend to mask (for better or worse) NBA potential.
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Take a look at Australia's roster or any of the U19 rosters. Any good college team would beat them by 50+.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Exum might be the best player in the draft. Just because he's never played in real games doesn't mean he sucks (I know you're not saying that, but thought I should get it out there). I just think he's a huge risk top 4, and while guys like Randle, Vonleh, Smart, etc, are being picked apart because they've played tough games against good competition, Exum is just sitting back with a smile on his face comfortably in the top 4 because he's only played in all-star games or against other kids. We haven't seen his warts like we have everybody else.
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Smart and Vonleh never had a chance of top 4 in this draft, and that was the consensus from last summer.

You're implying that we know as much about Exum now as we did about Randle coming out of high school, but I think that reasoning is flawed. While we might disagree on the worth of the college game, I think we can agree that the U-19 tournament was on a bigger scale than any game Randle played in during his high school career.

College exposed Randle, true. NBA might expose Exum, true. But, by looking at their goe-given gifts for position, who has lightyears more potential? Is it the undersized PF with small arms and no defense, or is it the 6'6" athletic PG?
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Exum might be the best player in the draft. Just because he's never played in real games doesn't mean he sucks (I know you're not saying that, but thought I should get it out there). I just think he's a huge risk top 4, and while guys like Randle, Vonleh, Smart, etc, are being picked apart because they've played tough games against good competition, Exum is just sitting back with a smile on his face comfortably in the top 4 because he's only played in all-star games or against other kids. We haven't seen his warts like we have everybody else.
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I can certainly understand that. I will just point out what DX said about the Jazz yesterday in reference to Exum: Most teams have seen very little of Exum over the years, but Utah's scouting department, headed by Nike Hoop Summit World Team architect Rich Sheubrooks, doesn't have that problem.

I trust that the Jazz know what they're doing if they select Exum over Smart.
 
Past experience and stats are only part of the equation. I'm being captain obvious here, but players with elite physical profiles and skills are top prospects even if they've never played near the pro level before. With Exum, scouts are seeing the height, length, legit PG skills, quickness and elite feel for the game. Plus, he's working hard, gaining strength, improving his shooting, etc. His ceiling is higher than Smart's.

Plus, the fact that a player like that has the ball in his hands a lot and that rules favor quick guards driving the lanes means his talents will translate to in-game impact like MCW did this year. He already looks better than Trey Burke in most respects.

It's actually a bit dangerous to get caught up in stats and previous game experience when you're projecting young prospects. You're liable to draft guys like Thomas Robinson and Harrison Barnes over Andre Drummond, who was regarded as a top-2 prospect prior to his freshman season at UConn.

I think Exum will go top 3 in a re-draft in virtually every scenario a few years from now. I don't see how he busts unless he can't stay healthy. He's not an above-the-rim player like Penny Hardaway or Kerry Kittles were, so that helps.
 
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orangello said:
This ain't Kentucky

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This........






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Bumping this so more people can post their big boards post-combine.

Pre-combine, myself, Fusionjazz, and Catchell had Lavine as someone we wanted at 23, but now I think most of the board has hopped on that bandwagon, right? So much so that no one believes he'll even be avaialable there anymore. Pre-combine mocks had him going anywhere from 19-38, now he's being talked about as a late lottery, possible top 10 player.
 
White Chocolate's Big Board Post-Combine

1. Andrew Wiggins
2. Jabari Parker
3. Dante Exum
4. Noah Vonleh
5. Joel Embiid
6. Julius Randle
7. Aaron Gordon
8. Marcus Smart
9. Doug McDermott
10. Zach LaVine
11. Nik Stauskas
12. Dario Saric
13. Gary Harris
14. James Young
15. Elfrid Payton
16. Tyler Ennis
17. Adrien Payne
18. PJ Hairston
19. Jusuf Nurkic
20. Cleanthony Early
21. Rodney Hood
22. T.J. Warren
23. Glenn Robinson III
24. Kyle Anderson
25. Shabazz Napier
26. Jerami Grant
27. K.J. McDaniels
28. Kristaps Porzingis
29. Jarnell Stokes
30. Clint Capela
 
White Chocolate said:
White Chocolate's Big Board Post-Combine

1. Andrew Wiggins
2. Jabari Parker
3. Dante Exum
4. Noah Vonleh
5. Joel Embiid
6. Julius Randle
7. Aaron Gordon
8. Marcus Smart
9. Doug McDermott
10. Zach LaVine
11. Nik Stauskas
12. Dario Saric
13. Gary Harris
14. James Young
15. Elfrid Payton
16. Tyler Ennis
17. Adrien Payne
18. PJ Hairston
19. Jusuf Nurkic
20. Cleanthony Early
21. Rodney Hood
22. T.J. Warren
23. Glenn Robinson III
24. Kyle Anderson
25. Shabazz Napier
26. Jerami Grant
27. K.J. McDaniels
28. Kristaps Porzingis
29. Jarnell Stokes
30. Clint Capela
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This draft is deep!
 
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