only a fool sticks to their guns in light of new and conflicting information
Following potential 2014 draftees
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only a fool sticks to their guns in light of new and conflicting information
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my top 5 mock draft
Cleveland - Joel Embiid - they are in a win now. they want labron back and embiid will be able to play right away. with Irving's porous defense a player in the middle like embiid is perfect. they still need a 2 guard but have some great talent. wiggins is interesting but is a couple years away and they need to show labron they are winners now.
Milwaukee - Andrew wiggins - they want to win now but the team is a mess. sanders will be shipped out and knight is a joke as a pg. I love Nate wolters but he is not an anchor piece. time to strip the team and build around Henson and wiggins.
Philadelphia - Noah vonleh - big surprise in the draft but Philly is not ready to be competitive, they don't need Parker who is the most nba ready, they need to look to the future. Noel and McW are the anchor pieces neither who are great shooters. vonleh is the perfect fit in the style of team they seem to be building. he will create driving lanes for McW and open up underneath for Noel. this is a future pick but vonleh will be one of the best players in this draft in 5 years.
Orlando - Dante exum - a future back court of exum and oladipo will be huge. neither are great shooters but could be one of the best back courts in the nba in a few years. the magic still need a good 4 to go with vujicic but with 2 lotto picks exum is the right choice.
Utah - Jabari Parker - no one expected Parker to fall so far but all the players picked in front of him are better defender and probably have higher ceilings. Utah needs to get out of the cellar and parker will come in from day one and be the #1 option. defense is a huge question mark but a good coach can hide some with good team defense.
Cleveland - Joel Embiid - they are in a win now. they want labron back and embiid will be able to play right away. with Irving's porous defense a player in the middle like embiid is perfect. they still need a 2 guard but have some great talent. wiggins is interesting but is a couple years away and they need to show labron they are winners now.
Milwaukee - Andrew wiggins - they want to win now but the team is a mess. sanders will be shipped out and knight is a joke as a pg. I love Nate wolters but he is not an anchor piece. time to strip the team and build around Henson and wiggins.
Philadelphia - Noah vonleh - big surprise in the draft but Philly is not ready to be competitive, they don't need Parker who is the most nba ready, they need to look to the future. Noel and McW are the anchor pieces neither who are great shooters. vonleh is the perfect fit in the style of team they seem to be building. he will create driving lanes for McW and open up underneath for Noel. this is a future pick but vonleh will be one of the best players in this draft in 5 years.
Orlando - Dante exum - a future back court of exum and oladipo will be huge. neither are great shooters but could be one of the best back courts in the nba in a few years. the magic still need a good 4 to go with vujicic but with 2 lotto picks exum is the right choice.
Utah - Jabari Parker - no one expected Parker to fall so far but all the players picked in front of him are better defender and probably have higher ceilings. Utah needs to get out of the cellar and parker will come in from day one and be the #1 option. defense is a huge question mark but a good coach can hide some with good team defense.
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Doublea
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I think it would be more likely that the 76ers trade down to 5 to draft Vonleh, then they get some more assets from us and we get Jabari.
Jazz4ever
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Exactly, they might even like Vonleh better but will try and fleece DL for everything he's got.
orangello
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Yep, and Cleveland would be foolish not to take him.
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orangello
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Not bad. I really think Milwaukee needs a true go to scorer and Jabari is the best in the draft (and last draft too).
Also, at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando takes who they feel is the best PF in the draft. They can get Ennis or Payton with the #12 pick. It's just a matter of they think that Exum has true star potential and Vonleh/Randle don't.
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Stifle Tower
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I also see Philly combining some of their later picks to move up. They can get three more starters to go with Noel and MCW.
Stifle Tower
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Yes, wouldn't be surprised to see Wiggins and Parker switch positions. Parker, along with being a fantastic scorer, is also a PR dream to help the Bucks get past the Sanders debacle. I also think this is the best spot for a Utah trade.
1. Cavs HAVE to keep the #1 pick to show LeBron they are SERIOUS about winning NOW! For that reason, I think they take the most NBA-ready player in Parker or the player that could become a dominant center in Embiid. My money is on Embiid.
2. Milwaukee needs a lot of players. Trade with Utah and they could pick up a starter at #5, another decent player at #23 and perhaps twist the Jazz' arm to give up Burks or Kanter.
3. Philadelphia has a ton of picks already. I think they'll be interested in keeping their own, then trying to combine others to move up. They need 2-3 starters out of this draft.
4. Orlando: simply not enough value in swapping one spot unless Parker, Embiid or Wiggins slide down. Exum vs. Vonleh or Gordon (or Smart) - whoever the Jazz prefer - just isn't that big a difference right now.
Game6Conley
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a few of us picked Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to be the late riser into the top 10 last year and nailed it. this year i get the feeling that guy is LaVine
Eric Pincus: The buzz on LaVine is that his floor is probably 10-14 and if a team wants him - may have to reach a few picks into top 10 to lock him in
Eric Pincus: The buzz on LaVine is that his floor is probably 10-14 and if a team wants him - may have to reach a few picks into top 10 to lock him in
Game6Conley
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and yeah, Embiid looked awesome in that workout, they said he was bent into a pretzel stretching beforehand and he didn't seem bothered by the back whatsoever, I hope the posters who had Embiid less than 2nd on their boards checked that out.
I was kind of thinking maybe the Bucks would balk on Embiid because his agent wont release his Medical Info to them, but not after that workout, im not 100% sold Wiggins isnt the pick though, im 95% sure they go 1 and 2 though.
there was some rumblings the incumbent management for the Bucks wanted to rebuild with Exum at #2
I was kind of thinking maybe the Bucks would balk on Embiid because his agent wont release his Medical Info to them, but not after that workout, im not 100% sold Wiggins isnt the pick though, im 95% sure they go 1 and 2 though.
there was some rumblings the incumbent management for the Bucks wanted to rebuild with Exum at #2
spycam1
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Same. They have way more two way potential than anyone else in the draft.
Stifle Tower
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Sometimes "potential" bites you in the ***. Do you think Atlanta regrets taking the wrong Williams instead of Deron or CP3 in 2005? How about Minnesota taking Derrick Williams at #2 in 2011?
spycam1
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Of course people don't always live up to their potential. What's your point? Embiid/Wiggins are more than just potential.
Game6Conley
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how about Nikoloz Tskitishvili over Amare Stoudemire... LOL, theres so many horrible picks.
its funny how the process lies, you feel like you get to know the players better throughout the year and leading up to the draft, there seems to be safely defined ranges and then Boom all of a sudden Anthony Bennett goes #1 and everyones scratching their heads in unison.
at the end of the day theres just too many factors to totally account for the transition into the NBA, any player can bust for any number of reasons. for NBA teams its kinda like walking thru a minefield, Im not into drama at all but i love the drama of the draft, everyone finally brings their chips to the table. im sure we will see a ****load of trades this year
Before Cleveland hit the first pick, they were trying to sell their fanbase on a big trade coming this summer to shake things up, i still think they make a move. Philly has too many picks not to be involved in at least one trade, and based on the activity in last years draft alone im expecting movement from the Jazz. The Lakers being 2 spots behind us makes the pick even more pivotal, if they get the Paul George to our Hayward, it will be even worse than the original gaffe.
its funny how the process lies, you feel like you get to know the players better throughout the year and leading up to the draft, there seems to be safely defined ranges and then Boom all of a sudden Anthony Bennett goes #1 and everyones scratching their heads in unison.
at the end of the day theres just too many factors to totally account for the transition into the NBA, any player can bust for any number of reasons. for NBA teams its kinda like walking thru a minefield, Im not into drama at all but i love the drama of the draft, everyone finally brings their chips to the table. im sure we will see a ****load of trades this year
Before Cleveland hit the first pick, they were trying to sell their fanbase on a big trade coming this summer to shake things up, i still think they make a move. Philly has too many picks not to be involved in at least one trade, and based on the activity in last years draft alone im expecting movement from the Jazz. The Lakers being 2 spots behind us makes the pick even more pivotal, if they get the Paul George to our Hayward, it will be even worse than the original gaffe.
Anyone passes on this guy is stupid. I would giv my left nut to have this guy in a Jazz uniform.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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I agree but that was not my point. I don't want to predict trades. this was based on team needs vs who is available. the reason I don't see Philly taking Parker is they are not ready to win now. vonleh needs some development time. there is a video of him hitting a turn around left hook and perfectly banking it off the back board. that was Tim duncnesque
Chargers Jazz Angels
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I thought about exum but wiggins IMO is a better corner stone player. we also don't know what kind of conversations the bucks are having for sanders.