Nissan resorts to hiring ex-felon to endorse their products.

[Chad Feldheimer]

Why not? And where should/shouldn't felons be permitted to work? Keep in mind that the more you restrict ex-felons' employment options, the more likely they are to turn back to crime.

At what point does punishing criminals turn from a crime deterrent into a crime incentive?

Felons are already restricted to a lot of things. How many job applications don't ask if you have ever been convicted of a felony? None that I can think of. They can't vote. They have a harder time getting bank loans, housing etc. Why not just loosen up on that stuff too then?

What point? I don't know. I think you are generalizing too much. I brought a specific instance and you are trying to lump it into a huge group.
Depends on the felon on where they should work.

 

[VINYLONE]

Felons are already restricted to a lot of things. How many job applications don't ask if you have ever been convicted of a felony? None that I can think of. They can't vote. They have a harder time getting bank loans, housing etc. Why not just loosen up on that stuff too then?

What I want is for convicts to become productive members of society. I want them to contribute in positive ways. That said, I am willing to try anything. The money that houses them come from me. I am sick of seeing the revolving door of crime.

 

[GVC]

I do think it's kind of funny that the two people who have done hard time are the ones boobing the most.

I've never even been questioned about a crime by police.

 

[VINYLONE]

I do think it's kind of funny that the two people who have done hard time are the ones boobing the most.

Who are you referring to dave?

 

[C l u t c H 385]

I wouldn't buy a Nissan anyway. Vick has nothing to do with it.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

What I want is for convicts to become productive members of society. I want them to contribute in positive ways. That said, I am willing to try anything. The money that houses them come from me. I am sick of seeing the revolving door of crime.

What I would like to see is companies not caving to a guy just cuz he is popular and forgetting that he is a felon. That's the best guy they could find? Seriously?

I would also like to see the NFL hold a higher standard against felons and drunks. But they don't. If you can play they will over look that stuff. Hell he will probably end up being one of the highest paid guys next year. Sad really.

 

[VINYLONE]

I wouldn't buy a Nissan anyway. Vick has nothing to do with it.

Great.

 

[GVC]

I would also like to see the NFL hold a higher standard against felons and drunks. But they don't. If you can play they will over look that stuff. Hell he will probably end up being one of the highest paid guys next year. Sad really.

Once again, why? How long should someone be punished? Is the cost/benefit- monetary, societal, whatever- of that punishment completely negligible?

 

[VINYLONE]

What I would like to see is companies not caving to a guy just cuz he is popular and forgetting that he is a felon. That's the best guy they could find? Seriously?

I would also like to see the NFL hold a higher standard against felons and drunks. But they don't. If you can play they will over look that stuff. Hell he will probably end up being one of the highest paid guys next year. Sad really.

Caving? Why do you think they caved? It's becoming more and more apparent that the reason for your thread is what we originally thought. Believe me, no one has forgotten that Vick is a felon. The vitriol that the guy commands is evident throughout the interwebs. Again, let Nissan do what they want to do and let the market decide if it was a prudent decision.

Vick served his time, went close to bankrupt and is now back to being gainfully employed. If you have a problem with the NFL, stop watching.

 

[sirkickyass]

Once again, why? How long should someone be punished? Is the cost/benefit- monetary, societal, whatever- of that punishment completely negligible?

I'm with TICC on this one. As long as he doesn't repeat violate then he's served his time. I have no ill will towards him and he shouldn't be punished in perpetuity just so that his entire life he can be held up as a pariah.

Obviously Nissan thinks most people have moved on, particularly in the Philadelphia area.

 

[VINYLONE]

I'm with TICC on this one. As long as he doesn't repeat violate then he's served his time. I have no ill will towards him and he shouldn't be punished in perpetuity just so that his entire life he can be held up as a pariah.

Obviously Nissan thinks most people have moved on, particularly in the Philadelphia area.

I don't have any ill will towards him either, but the dude is an ******* for what he did. So, **** him.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Once again, why? How long should someone be punished? Is the cost/benefit- monetary, societal, whatever- of that punishment completely negligible?

You don't have a problem with a guy who gets picked up for DUI the night before being able to play and basically no consequence for his actions?

Guys like Leonard Little & Donte Stallworth who have KILLED people still getting to play. No problem with that?

I think the NFL should make a stand and say no we won't let felons play. I doubt it will ever happen though.

I don't think the monetary issue matters. NFL will do fine without them. Who knows what the societal benefit would be, it's never happened. Could it really be negative? Plenty of companies don't deal with felons why should the NFL?

 

[Scat]

This reminds me of Nike endorsing DuhBron and Crymello's people of Utah -- I will never purchase another Nike product. EVER. I think Vick is on the same line as child molesters and rapists, so I will think twice before buying a Nissan.

Quite possibly the dumbest thing you have ever said.

 

[VINYLONE]

You don't have a problem with a guy who gets picked up for DUI the night before being able to play and basically no consequence for his actions?

Guys like Leonard Little & Donte Stallworth who have KILLED people still getting to play. No problem with that?

I think the NFL should make a stand and say no we won't let felons play. I doubt it will ever happen though.

I don't think the monetary issue matters. NFL will do fine without them. Who knows what the societal benefit would be, it's never happened. Could it really be negative? Plenty of companies don't deal with felons why should the NFL?

I dont know those names, but if those guys served their time, then no, I dont have a problem with them being employed again.

 

[GVC]

Plenty of companies don't deal with felons why should the NFL?

Because they believe people who commit criminal acts are redeemable? Or that it's none of their business? Why should it be the responsibility of the NFL to exact punishment on their players for crimes committed outside the workplace?

You are what's wrong with America.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Because they believe people who commit criminal acts are redeemable? Or that it's none of their business? Why should it be the responsibility of the NFL to exact punishment on their players for crimes committed outside the workplace?

You are what's wrong with America.

They don't care if they are redeemable. Hell they wouldn't care if they still did the crime as long as nobody knew and they could still do the job. They just care if they can make them money.

What business is it of the NFL? They already do! They have something called the personal conduct policy. Would you like examples of who has been suspended just this season?
Ben Roethlisberger
LenDale White
Quinn Ojinnaka
Vincent Jackson
LeRoy Hill
Aqib Talib

 

[VINYLONE]

Chad, why continue arguing it. TICC believes one thing and you believe another...just agree to disagree.

 

[GVC]

They just care if they can make them money.

What's wrong with that?

Why is it so hard for you to answer simple, direct questions?

 

[moevillini]

Because they believe people who commit criminal acts are redeemable? Or that it's none of their business? Why should it be the responsibility of the NFL to exact punishment on their players for crimes committed outside the workplace?

You are what's wrong with America.

You don't have a problem with a guy who gets picked up for DUI the night before being able to play and basically no consequence for his actions?

Guys like Leonard Little & Donte Stallworth who have KILLED people still getting to play. No problem with that?

I think the NFL should make a stand and say no we won't let felons play. I doubt it will ever happen though.

I don't think the monetary issue matters. NFL will do fine without them. Who knows what the societal benefit would be, it's never happened. Could it really be negative? Plenty of companies don't deal with felons why should the NFL?

wait a second, are we arguing about the NFL's policy or Nissan's? I thought the original post questioned Vick's hiring by Nissan as a spokesperson? I think there's a bit of a difference between a secondary company hiring him as a spokesperson as compared to the NFL's hiring him to play football.

Not that it particularly matters to me, I'm with the group that feels he served time, he has a right to earn a living at his previous occupation - playing football in the NFL. It's not as though the crimes he was convicted of have any material bearing on the game of football. I'm not sure it's a wise marketing move for Nissan to make him the spokesperson for something completely unrelated to athletics, but we'll see how the marketplace views it.

 

[VINYLONE]

Well stated Moe.