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Peer reviewed analysis. You were saying?

Conclusion: Although effective obesity prevention leads to a decrease in costs of obesity-related diseases, this decrease is offset by cost increases due to diseases unrelated to obesity in life-years gained. Obesity prevention may be an important and cost-effective way of improving public health, but it is not a cure for increasing health expenditures.
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https://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0050029
 
heyhey said:
Actually as I pointed out with smokers fat people, due to their propensity for dieing early, are actually less costly for the government and the healthcare system. It is the health nuts that live to age 90 breaking hips and managing Alzheimers that are so damn expensive.
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Your ability to "point it out" doesn't make it true.

If by "managing Alzheimers" you mean the cost of assisted living, yes it is expensive, but you underestimate the cost and longevity of people with chronic illnesses brought about by overeating, smoking, and other bad habits...heart disease, diabetes, cancer.
 
PearlWatson said:
Your ability to "point it out" doesn't make it true.

If by "managing Alzheimers" you mean the cost of assisted living, yes it is expensive, but you underestimate the cost and longevity of people with chronic illnesses brought about by overeating, smoking, and other bad habits...heart disease, diabetes, cancer.
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My ability to point it out absolutely makes it true. If you read carefully(lol) you will see that the chronic illnesses to which you refer are referenced. They are just simply less expensive than the long term and particularly expensive healthcare that the elderly need. I am not pro fat. I am pro truth. You as a self proclaimed conservative should see the folly in using social cost benefit analysis to make personal decisions for others.

If we were to make our decisions in such a way we should encourage risky behavior, ban airbags, and slaughter the handicapped. The hilarious thing is that you don't see how oppressive and close to the Eugenicists your particular form of shallow, ignorant, and down right nasty conservatism is. People like you sully the reputations of all people that consider themselves conservative.

Do the Republican party a favor shut the **** up and don't bother turning up to vote until you have finished your first chapter book.
 
heyhey said:
My ability to point it out absolutely makes it true. If you read carefully(lol) you will see that the chronic illnesses to which you refer are referenced. They are just simply less expensive than the long term and particularly expensive healthcare that the elderly need. I am not pro fat. I am pro truth. You as a self proclaimed conservative should see the folly in using social cost benefit analysis to make personal decisions for others.

If we were to make our decisions in such a way we should encourage risky behavior, ban airbags, and slaughter the handicapped. The hilarious thing is that you don't see how oppressive and close to the Eugenicists your particular form of shallow, ignorant, and down right nasty conservatism is. People like you sully the reputations of all people that consider themselves conservative.

Do the Republican party a favor shut the **** up and don't bother turning up to vote until you have finished your first chapter book.
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lolz

Scale back the extrapolation and wipe the foam from your mouth.
 
PearlWatson said:
9/11 didn't effect me personally but I'm still against Muslims flying planes into buildings.

Now before you get all obtuse and think I'm making a direct comparison I will state the point straight out.

You can legitimately be against actions because of the way they effect other individuals, communities, and society overall when they will never effect you personally.
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Did you just draw a comparison between gay marriage and the wanton killing of 3000 individuals?
 
DutchJazzer said:
the whole ****ing society is affected by those morbidly obese people(at least healthcare wise), they make healthcare expensive.

sometimes things indivudials or groups of people do affects everybody in some way.
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You can name a link between obesity of others and your pocketbook. What's the link for gay marriage?
 
One Brow said:
You can name a link between obesity of others and your pocketbook. What's the link for gay marriage?
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One could argue that it opens the door for financial benefits associated with marriage. Such as insurance and social security. That hits Mr. Public in the pocketbook.

One could argue the affects Mr. Public with small business lawsuits.

One could argue that it affects Mr. Public in what their children are taught.

One could argue that it affects the overall moral makeup of America and that affects Mr. Public.


I won't make those arguments but one could.
 
Stoked said:
One could argue that it opens the door for financial benefits associated with marriage. Such as insurance and social security. That hits Mr. Public in the pocketbook.

One could argue the affects Mr. Public with small business lawsuits.

One could argue that it affects Mr. Public in what their children are taught.

One could argue that it affects the overall moral makeup of America and that affects Mr. Public.

I won't make those arguments but one could.
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I'll grant the first one. Not sure how the second and fourth come into play, and the third, in the eyes of a defender, would probably sound more like a request for special treatment than any truly relevant argument.
 
One Brow said:
I'll grant the first one. Not sure how the second and fourth come into play, and the third, in the eyes of a defender, would probably sound more like a request for special treatment than any truly relevant argument.
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To think that a change in the laws governing marriage wont seep into education surprises me when coming from you. Education is politicized by teachers, for both sides, all the time. Why would this issue be any different?

Lawsuits on small business owners do not affect Mr. Public? Are small business owners not members of Mr. Public? Or did you want general affects and not personal ones?

The overall morality of America affects us all. I am not getting into what our morals, as a country, should be. Just pointing out that the overall morals of a society does affect the public.
 
Stoked said:
To think that a change in the laws governing marriage wont seep into education surprises me when coming from you.
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What I meant was that #3 would be a change away from the special treatment already granted. Saying "I want my children to be taught that homosexual marriages don't exist/are not normal/etc. is asking for special treatment for their views.

Stoked said:
Lawsuits on small business owners do not affect Mr. Public? Are small business owners not members of Mr. Public? Or did you want general affects and not personal ones?
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Lawsuits only apply to discriminatory actions. Saying "I have a right to discriminate" is not a real defense.

Stoked said:
The overall morality of America affects us all. I am not getting into what our morals, as a country, should be. Just pointing out that the overall morals of a society does affect the public.
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I don't see how homosexual marriages affect the "overall morality of America".
 
One Brow said:
What I meant was that #3 would be a change away from the special treatment already granted. Saying "I want my children to be taught that homosexual marriages don't exist/are not normal/etc. is asking for special treatment for their views.



Lawsuits only apply to discriminatory actions. Saying "I have a right to discriminate" is not a real defense.



I don't see how homosexual marriages affect the "overall morality of America".
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Changing the legal morality of a subject will change the morality of the society. One automatically leads to the other

This current convo isn't about defending gay marriage or traditional marriage. I was just giving examples of how it affects society. It doesn't need a "defense". Lawsuits against small businesses are an example of it affecting Mr. Public in a personal way.
 
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