thebrazilianzz
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That was Zidane, he is French and is not playing anymore.
That was Zidane, he is French and is not playing anymore.
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Yup thats the one. Thanks
So assuming you're born in Canada and lived there your whole life. Wouldn't you feel Canadian and wanna represent them only because your parents have another passport that you'd apply for only because their national team is more successful?
MVP
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Similar situation is with Nik Stauskas. He has Lithuanian parents and even went to Lithuanian Sunday school in Toronto, but he will always be considered Canadian and will never play for LT national team even if he could have much better chances at winning some medals in international competitions...
JimLes
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You're assuming that'd be the case. Identity is a very individual thing in a your mileage may vary kind of way. Different people have different experiences.
Also, us Canadians and Americans have a very different experience because of the way our countries operate. Both Canada and the USandA have always applied Jus Soli to citizenship, meaning all you had to do was be born here to be a citizen. It didn't matter if your parents arrived in the country earlier that day. Many European countries don't have that. This was especially the case 15-20 years ago and earlier. Many people were born in Germany, even to German-born parents, and weren't citizens because their grandparents moved from Turkey or Serbia and the whole family were still considered Turkish or Serbian "guest workers" and therefore foreign nationals.
In some cases, you do have footballers who literally could not play for the country they were born in because they did not hold its citizenship(countries like Sweden and Germany also forbid dual citizenship), but you also have cases like Croatia's Ivan Klasnic, who's famous for coming back from two kidney transplants to score in the quarterfinals of the European championship. Klasnic wasn't born in Croatia, but in Germany to ethnic Croat parents. He held Croatian citizenship, but was offered German when he first burst onto the scene as a talented teenager. The offer, of course, had to do with the German football federation wanting him to play for Germany. He said no to both the passport and the German team, as he claimed he didn't feel German. Hard to argue with him, as he grew up being told by the German state that his family were temporary workers who were expected to return to Croatia(his parents aren't even from there, but from Bosnia) at some undefined future point and that they were not going to be granted citizenship because they were not ethnic Germans. I wouldn't feel very German either.
Zulu
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Hell to the yes. Hoping that they do some real damage. Let's do a repeat of Croatia's inaugural WC performance
Sorry picked Brazil and Mexico to come out of group A!!
JimLes
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Well dala was wondering why he wouldn't play for Croatia. Ibrahimovic's parents also are a Bosnian and a Croatian. So there would be that conflict as well. Afaik he was born in Sweden, fully integrated in society there and I think that's a pretty good foundation for someone to feel Swedish, isn't it?
It's also not correct what you state about the German citizenship process. Truth be told: Since 2000 if your parents are living in Germany for at least 8 years and have a permanent permit and give birth to a child this child has the choice to choose between the German citizenship and their parents country if that country allows it. This procedure could be done in retrospect up to 10 years(e.g. 1990 born kid with foreign parents who were in Germany with a permanent permit since 1982)
And the German naturalization process which I followed once first hand is from my experience very unproblematic.
A friend of mine came to Germany with his parents at age 3. At age 19 he wanted to become German in order to be able to have a position in the German police. 80% of the time he spent in the Romanian embassy...
German administration was super chill. No criminal record, German school degree. Didn't ask a lot of questions about his intent and stuff.
Story I heard about Klasnic is that he never thought he'd make the German national team. So he chose Croatia because he wanted to play internationally. In hindsight, he'd have never made the German nationalteam skillwise.
Maybe it was also national identity, who knows? I mean there's Germans who aren't open to integration processes the same way as there's seattlejazz on this board...It's of course possible that he made bad experiences in Germany.
If you have that situation in a family where 1 parent is German and the other foreign, it has the right to carry dual citizenship.
Zulu
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Dala and I are talking about Bosnia.
My bad!!
