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The Thriller said:
Ok. I'm 3 hrs behind Paulistas. So apparently they've installed all the toilets now. Whether or not they work? Another issue.

Now, in the stadiums do they have you stuff the toilet paper in a can next to the toilet? Or do these toilets actually flush toilet paper down? I saw only a few places in all the time I spent in the state or São Paulo that could handle toilet paper being flushed down the toilet.

It's funny, because we Americans think that's so common. Yet, I think most places around the world have a garbage can nearby to stuff your used toilet paper... Some, especially in Asia, don't even have that!

What will be interesting what "success" is.

The traffic and hospitals are still horrific and a subway strike is set for tomorrow. They've spent billions on stadiums but the roads are still terrible and hospitals underfunded. Literally, main roads in São Paulo are like tiny 2 lane avenues when they should be 4-5 lane highways. It would be like I-15 here in utah being the size of legacy or bangeter. Could you imagine how terrible the traffic would be in slc?
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I currently live in São Paulo, Brazil. I won't be attending any world cup games at the stadium but I can say a little about what is really going on.

The São Paulo stadium is ready, they already had a couple of test games, it was finished way behind schedule though. If any of you are coming, don't worry about the toilets, as far as the media is concerned they are ready. The thing they were just talking about today is that they had problems with the stadium's internet access today and there might(probably) happen again tomorrow.

There were a big subway strike late last week and this monday. The "subway union" had a meeting today and announced there won't be a strike tomorrow. This happened about 3 hours ago.
 
thebrazilianzz said:
I currently live in São Paulo, Brazil. I won't be attending any world cup games at the stadium but I can say a little about what is really going on.

The São Paulo stadium is ready, they already had a couple of test games, it was finished way behind schedule though. If any of you are coming, don't worry about the toilets, as far as the media is concerned they are ready. The thing they were just talking about today is that they had problems with the stadium's internet access today and there might(probably) happen again tomorrow.

There were a big subway strike late last week and this monday. The "subway union" had a meeting today and announced there won't be a strike tomorrow. This happened about 3 hours ago.
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There will be 6 games played here, that is actually a lot of games, considering there are 12 stadiums for the World Cup.

Brazil vs Croatia- June 12th- Opening game
Uruguay vs England, June 19th
The Netherlands vs Chile, June 23rd
South Korea vs Belgium, June 26th

Second Round, July 1st
Semifinal, July 9th.
 
JimLes said:
Yeah, he sounds fully integrated when talking about his childhood, alright. https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...n-ibrahimovic-attacks-guardiola-a-925691.html

"My neighborhood, Rosengard, was home to Turks, Yugoslavs, Palestinians and Poles. I was 16 when I first went to the city centre of Malmo; I never watched Swedish TV. My teammates at (football club) Malmo FF were called Mattisson, Persson or Ohlsson. I was an outsider. My coach wanted me to play in a way that served the team: making simple passes, and running more. I thought to myself: **** you, if I can dribble round three players, I'm going to do it. I am never going to be a real Swede anyway, so why should I play like one? The coach often took me off the pitch. My teammates had an easier time. They were blond, played in a way that served the team, and they ran. But instead of giving up, I became angry and tried to become even better. That is what made me the player I am."

Words of a man who feels truly Swedish and had no negative experiences based on his immigrant background.




Notice that I said "This was especially the case 15-20 years ago and earlier." Also, notice that most current professional footballers were born before 2000.



Klasnić did not have German citizenship, as I believe is still the case.
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I was basing my statement upon his statement that he feels 100% swedish, which he said 2 years ago.

Dude's statements have 0% weight anyways, because he constantly tries to provoke and mimics opinions to irritate.

So he was a criminal in his youth and still decided to represent Sweden even though he allegedly wasn't accepted by locals.

I guess that's more telling how accepted he felt in Bosnia and Croatia back "home".

That's also a very common issue tbh. Around 80% of the Turks, Serbian, Armenian, Iranian etc. face huge social obstacles and acceptance issues even within there own families when they visit these countries.

So you have a social problem, where a lot of immigrants are unwilling to integrate themselves into the German society and there are plenty of Germans who don't want to have international friends from these countries for whatever reason.

Also last time I checked 2014 minus 1982 = 32. That's 12 more years than 20.

All I was saying with my example is that he could have easily gotten naturalized even w/o being a soccer prospect...

dalamon said:
This. I lived in Germany for a year during the 4th grade, and I was born there. If you're Albanian, "yugoslavian" (we'll throw all of those Balkan countries in there), or Turkish, you never really feel "German". I know this both from personal experience (only made Turkish friends in my entire year of schooling there at age 9) and from the tens of relatives that live all spread out through Deutschland.
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So did you speak the language? What school did your parents put you in? (I bet I know the answer) What were your attempts to socialize with others than Germans? Did your parents put you in a position to succeed socially?

dalamon said:
It was a huge hassle for me trying to get my citizenship in Germany even though I was born in Nürtingen-- my parents eventually gave up, and just got a travel document for me. We left to Canada 2 years after my birth. Luckily, Canada gave me my citizenship 4 years later :)
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How long were your parents living in Germany before you were born? Because I highlighted the in 2000 introduced procedure.

Before that I guess it wasn't such an issue for a long time as the first year guest workers got permanent permit was 1982. So there was some time passing until this became an issue. And even if it was one before 2000, you have to understand the social circumstances that in 1990 the German reunification took place and left a administrative mess that pushed a lot of needed changes back.

Also I want you to think which borders Canada has and how much illegal immigration issues that country has.

I'd also bet if a gazillion Mexicans decided to take boats to Vancouver at night you'd see different requirements in acquiring a citizenship.
 
BTP said:
So did you speak the language?
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What, German? Uh, yeah. Fluently. Went to a full German-Immersion school from Kindergarten up until that point (4th grade).


What school did your parents put you in? (I bet I know the answer)
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Humor me-- what was your prediction? I myself was in the 4th grade, so I was still in Gradschule. My older brother was two years ahead, but he was in Gymnasium. He had an identical experience to myself.

What were your attempts to socialize with others than Germans?
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My attempts were equal to socializing with every other student in that class. I had grown up in Canada, so the whole foreign/non-foreign German dynamic was one that I had no comprehension of, going into my first day of classes. I socialized with every student equally -- and despite having a lot of attention as "the Canadian student" -- I found that I was eventually lumped in with the Turks.

Did your parents put you in a position to succeed socially?
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Are you aware of how narrow-minded of a question this is? You're inferring that I did not make German friends because my parents did not put myself in a position to succeed socially. Pathetic.



How long were your parents living in Germany before you were born? Because I highlighted the in 2000 introduced procedure.
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Lived there for around 2-3 years I think

Before that I guess it wasn't such an issue for a long time as the first year guest workers got permanent permit was 1982. So there was some time passing until this became an issue. And even if it was one before 2000, you have to understand the social circumstances that in 1990 the German reunification took place and left a administrative mess that pushed a lot of needed changes back.

Also I want you to think which borders Canada has and how much illegal immigration issues that country has.

I'd also bet if a gazillion Mexicans decided to take boats to Vancouver at night you'd see different requirements in acquiring a citizenship.
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I am not blaming them for not accepting more immigrants. Obviously Germany is borderline overpopulated given how many people live there, in such a small land-mass. I have lots of admiration for the German government in many regards, and many tenets of German culture-- but to simply bat an eye to the German/non-German cultural dichotomy, and attribute the lack of cultural-assimilation to things like "poor attempts at socializing with all students", or parents not providing me with the tools to succeed socially is narrow-minded, and will simply perpetuate this cultural problem moving forward.
 
dalamon said:
What, German? Uh, yeah. Fluently. Went to a full German-Immersion school from Kindergarten up until that point (4th grade).




Humor me-- what was your prediction? I myself was in the 4th grade, so I was still in Gradschule. My older brother was two years ahead, but he was in Gymnasium. He had an identical experience to myself.



My attempts were equal to socializing with every other student in that class. I had grown up in Canada, so the whole foreign/non-foreign German dynamic was one that I had no comprehension of, going into my first day of classes. I socialized with every student equally -- and despite having a lot of attention as "the Canadian student" -- I found that I was eventually lumped in with the Turks.



Are you aware of how narrow-minded of a question this is? You're inferring that I did not make German friends because my parents did not put myself in a position to succeed socially. Pathetic.





Lived there for around 2-3 years I think




I am not blaming them for not accepting more immigrants. Obviously Germany is borderline overpopulated given how many people live there, in such a small land-mass. I have lots of admiration for the German government in many regards, and many tenets of German culture-- but to simply bat an eye to the German/non-German cultural dichotomy, and attribute the lack of cultural-assimilation to things like "poor attempts at socializing with all students", or parents not providing me with the tools to succeed socially is narrow-minded, and will simply perpetuate this cultural problem moving forward.
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It's not batting, tbh. I just have lots of experience with international kids struggling with integration as I've tutored a lot of kids of all ages and different nations in what you could call a ghetto for 3 years.
Also had tons of international kids going to the same school I went to.

A lot of diversity if you want to say.

And my experience is that nearly always when kids ended up in a social environment that was one dimensional it was because parents didn't make an effort to integrate themselves and also no effort to maybe send their kids to a school that's a couple miles further away but that doesn't have the "ghetto school" tag, but instead more diversity.

I also wasn't aware that you lived there for 10 years. Your previous post suggested to me that you lived there for 1 year. So I felt at the time you made a preemptive judgement based on your limited experience.

Still I find it odd that in spite of them trying to mix you up with locals that you apparently didn't find the acceptance you wanted to have.

Of course that may be locally different but my experience with people from Stuttgart is that a lot aren't xenophobic, especially since there's a lot of ethnic diversity in the city itself.
 
BTP said:
It's not batting, tbh. I just have lots of experience with international kids struggling with integration as I've tutored a lot of kids of all ages and different nations in what you could call a ghetto for 3 years.
Also had tons of international kids going to the same school I went to.

A lot of diversity if you want to say.

And my experience is that nearly always when kids ended up in a social environment that was one dimensional it was because parents didn't make an effort to integrate themselves and also no effort to maybe send their kids to a school that's a couple miles further away but that doesn't have the "ghetto school" tag, but instead more diversity.

I also wasn't aware that you lived there for 10 years. Your previous post suggested to me that you lived there for 1 year. So I felt at the time you made a preemptive judgement based on your limited experience.

Still I find it odd that in spite of them trying to mix you up with locals that you apparently didn't find the acceptance you wanted to have.

Of course that may be locally different but my experience with people from Stuttgart is that a lot aren't xenophobic, especially since there's a lot of ethnic diversity in the city itself.
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Sorry-- I went to a German school here in Canada from Kindergarten up until the 12th grade. I lived in Germany from age 0-2, and then I lived there for all of the 4th grade again. German was basically my second language, and I was essentially fluent with it at age 9 when I went to school in Germany in the 4th grade.

I think the truth lies in the middle, as it does with many issues. Of course, if parents don't make a concerted effort then it will perpetuate the problem that we are discussing. However, I still maintain that Germany must acknowledge its xenophobia problem, as I experienced that first hand in the 4th grade. My parents tell me about being shoo'd away from a potential apartment vacancy when they were younger, because of their Albanian origin.
 
dalamon said:
Sorry-- I went to a German school here in Canada from Kindergarten up until the 12th grade. I lived in Germany from age 0-2, and then I lived there for all of the 4th grade again. German was basically my second language, and I was essentially fluent with it at age 9 when I went to school in Germany in the 4th grade.

I think the truth lies in the middle, as it does with many issues. Of course, if parents don't make a concerted effort then it will perpetuate the problem that we are discussing. However, I still maintain that Germany must acknowledge its xenophobia problem, as I experienced that first hand in the 4th grade. My parents tell me about being shoo'd away from a potential apartment vacancy when they were younger, because of their Albanian origin.
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Ya that's a common problem in housing over here. There's in almost every city the problem that you have a lack of apartments. And a lot of house owner prefer to not introduce Internationals into a multi apartment house because of 2 things:
-If someone stops to pay the rent and goes abroad, it's hard to collect the missing money
-A lot of them are old and think it could upset neighbours to introduce foreigners into the house

So guys who rent unfortunately can cherrypick quite a bit there.

I had these problems when we looked for an apartment for myself and roommates and the one with a Polish surname contacted the owners...Well we adjusted there ;)

I just don't agree that Germany has a xenophobia problem. Sure there's people who are intolerant towards foreigners and have strong prejudices.
But let me tell you, almost every other country I've ever visited was way more xenophobe. France, Switzerland, Austria, Greece, Spain, Portugal are first hand experiences and the things I've heard about the USA and Poland are stories from people living there for a long time.
This also doesn't justify that people act like dicks, but it explains it. And there's always going to be people who feel threatened by others. And if you look different, speak another language or have an foreign accent you're going to be their target to channel their lack of education, tolerance and security onto. Always hit the weakest link...
 
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