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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...Qaeda-forces-seize-Mosul-and-Tikrit-live.html

A splinter group has taken control of Mosul and Tikrit in Iraq (ISIS already controls the western Iraqi district of Anbar). Mosul is the second largest city in Iraq. Tikrit is only 80 miles north of Baghdad. 500,00 people fled Mosul. Refugees that are non Kurdish are being turned away from Kurdish territory. Mosul and Tikrit are in northern Iraq and lead to the border with Syria.

Also 48 Turks were taken hostage by ISIS after they attacked a Turkish consulate in Mosul. Turkey is threatening retaliation if any of them are harmed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/world/middleeast/mosul-iraq-militants-seize-us-weapons.html?_r=0

As part of taking over those cities they have taken over military bases and police stations. Including large amounts of military equipment, weapons, vehicles and ammo) supplied to Iraq by the US. They are taking some of this new military equipment into Syria to fight there.

https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_wor...ate_of_iraq_and_syria_a_real_country_now.html

They are calling it ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria). They are attempting to form one hard line Sunni country out of parts of Syria and Iraq. (possibly parts of Lebanon as well as tension ramps up and bombings occur)

Appears that we are seeing the firm lines emerging of a middle east wide sectarian war. Not just seperate conflicts in Afghanistan-Pakistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria. It is merging into one region wide conflict.

Thoughts? (if you even find this interesting)
 
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Yikes. A quagmire.

We will probably get sucked back into Iraq to try and restore order. But I hope we don't.

All in all, I think this is all necessary. We killed the man who held that country together with an iron first. Now, we see the fruits of democracy. Perhaps Iraq is best served breaking up into smaller city states?
 
The Thriller said:
Yikes. A quagmire.

We will probably get sucked back into Iraq to try and restore order. But I hope we don't.

All in all, I think this is all necessary. We killed the man who held that country together with an iron first. Now, we see the fruits of democracy. Perhaps Iraq is best served breaking up into smaller city states?
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I seriously doubt that we will. England has already ruled out military assistance. It appears to be spliting along Sunni and Shia lines. With Iran being the Shia leader and Saudi Arabia being the Sunni leader.
 
US announced that we "stand ready" to provide assistance to Iraq. Not specified but assumed to be equipment and diplomatic help over military assistance.

Iran is offering support to the Iraqi government

Turkey has called for a NATO meeting on Iraq.
 
Region is ****ed. No actual state, just strong groups pushing each other for dominance in the aid and to aid certain countries. Surely this is a love to drag Turkey in. I hope it gets solved.
 
Stoked said:
No please go. I'll drive you to the airport.
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Stoked said:
No please go. I'll drive you to the airport.
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Pretty impressive how high ideals about World Peace come to comments like this in about three steps. The end-stage devolvement of "Balkanization" is the "one man at a time" method of eliminating the "enemies of the State", with "State" defined as "me" or "you".

So here's the "Word on the Street", so to speak, straight from the horse's mouth:

https://www.cfr.org/iran/so-won-war-iraq-iran/p22863

US hawks have been squawking for decades about the need for a regional war in the Middle East to bring the region into better management under UN/CFR leadership. Can't just leave them behind in the new global world order based on our new-fangled notions of Nietzsche and godless progressivism under a "scientific" brahmin regime, with everything run by college-stabilized "experts", of which perhaps we have a local example in Jazzfanz, who shall remain nameless. . . .

We will, of course, be on the side of George Bush's "blood brothers" in Saudia Arabia. And, of course, according to Marxist dialectics, we should expect a dawn of science and technology to emerge from a war between thirteenth-century contesting State Religions.

The British have been manipulating politics in the Middle East for almost three hundred years. Haven't they done a superb job of keeping the region from ever becoming an economic or mercantile competitor to our western global cartelists?
 
UGLI baby said:
Lol you can't drive to Iraq from here.


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Stoked is fully-vested in an Anglophile political mentality and world-view. And there is the tunnel under the channel. Don't bother him with facts based on your own perspective, please. We have enough cognitive dissonance in here already.
 
babe said:
Pretty impressive how high ideals about World Peace come to comments like this in about three steps. The end-stage devolvement of "Balkanization" is the "one man at a time" method of eliminating the "enemies of the State", with "State" defined as "me" or "you".

So here's the "Word on the Street", so to speak, straight from the horse's mouth:

https://www.cfr.org/iran/so-won-war-iraq-iran/p22863

US hawks have been squawking for decades about the need for a regional war in the Middle East to bring the region into better management under UN/CFR leadership. Can't just leave them behind in the new global world order based on our new-fangled notions of Nietzsche and godless progressivism under a "scientific" brahmin regime, with everything run by college-stabilized "experts", of which perhaps we have a local example in Jazzfanz, who shall remain nameless. . . .

We will, of course, be on the side of George Bush's "blood brothers" in Saudia Arabia. And, of course, according to Marxist dialectics, we should expect a dawn of science and technology to emerge from a war between thirteenth-century contesting State Religions.

The British have been manipulating politics in the Middle East for almost three hundred years. Haven't they done a superb job of keeping the region from ever becoming an economic or mercantile competitor to our western global cartelists?
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None of us got into "world peace" but ok. It was light hearted fun on an interenet forum. It's the norm.

interesting takes. Would be interested to hear who that jazzfanner is tbh.
 
babe said:
Stoked is fully-vested in an Anglophile political mentality and world-view. And there is the tunnel under the channel. Don't bother him with facts based on your own perspective, please. We have enough cognitive dissonance in here already.
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lol wow, I posted what is happening according to various news sources that I listed. Never really got into what I thought about it. But glad you know my thoughts better than I do.
 
One Brow said:
Why should you be different from the rest of us?

I don't see us sending troops over this. However, it does make me wish, to a small degree, Hussein ran Iraq.
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Guy was evil but things were...controlled.

Wonder what a comparison of the death totals for the last 10 years of his reign was v. the first 10 years after.
 
USA screw up Middle East bad. I think people who vote for the George Bush should be made put their money into mouth by ship all over to Iraq. These are hypocrites saying hay, go fight over there but they do not dare go themself. Then you look at cost of war, you say hay, we need balance budget spending cap. Let us pull out Iraq and turn blind eye to murder and torture of innocent citizen by religious sect tribal dictator and terrorist cells.

American right are no more patriot you are coward who worship oil and US dollar.
 
Stoked said:
Guy was evil but things were...controlled.

Wonder what a comparison of the death totals for the last 10 years of his reign was v. the first 10 years after.
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No comparison. You ever read first two chapter in book Lone Survivor? US Navy Seal grenade citizen home then cry over Rule On Engagement. US soldier kill over 500,000 innocent Iraqi. Some liberation huh.
 
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