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why so many of you giving up on Burke? He is our future PG, period!

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All these Exum love threads popping up and some of you thinking Burke is a goner and we need upgrade at PG. Well let me remind you that Burke was All NBA rookie, rookie of the month numerous times, had elite ast/to ratio ( only comparable was C.Paul!), clutch shooting ( how many game winners he made already?) and elite FT shooting as well. All signs are pointing towards him improving and having great career with Jazz.
And yet some of you are ready to throw him under the bus for unproven lanky 6'6 kid from Australia who is poor volume shooter ( or simply said chucker) just because he has long stride and quick first step and length? Some of you probably would want to get rid of J.Stockton after his first year too. You know he was kind of short as well. That C. Paul dude is certainly not that long either....
 
I am very high on Burke. Enjoy watching him play and look forward to seeing him grow and lead this team.

Having said that if a trade comes along that involves Burke and the trade makes Utah better then Burke (or any other player on the team) let me help you pack and call you a taxi to the airport.
 
It's kind of like the situation of Portland when they traded us Williams because they had just drafted a young, but undersized point guard. He ended up not working out and the missed Williams and cp3.
 
Doublea said:
It's kind of like the situation of Portland when they traded us Williams because they had just drafted a young, but undersized point guard. He ended up not working out and the missed Williams and cp3.
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https://www.basketball-reference.co...m=0&p1=burketr01&y1=2014&p2=telfase01&y2=2005

compare their rookie seasons bro....like Ferrari vs Dodge.

for those who to lazy to click link I will throw few numbers:

12.8 pts, vs 6.8 pts, 5.7 ast, vs 3.3, .330 3 pt shooting vs .240, 3 ASt/TO ratio vs 1.8.

Sure sounds like very similar
 
Rookie accolades are worthless, especially in a historically bad draft.

Removing those, when one of your best noted attributes is free throw shooting, then you may not be so great.

Burke seems to have a low ceiling, high floor projection. Solid player who is definitely valuable on a winning team, just not the focal point.
 
So the fact that he takes care of the ball at ELITE level is nothing to be excited about?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
TS% the same, basically because Burke doesn't get to the line.

Only notable stat Trey has is turnover percentage. Nice, but no Ferrari.
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lol, so lets ignore, PER, 3 pt shooting and rebounding as well. How about we take a look at clutch stats?
 
because people like the newest flavors of coffee at Starbucks. Also, people are quick to give up on rookies. I was impressed with Trey, and thought he had a VERY good rookie season for
such a crappy team year. It's like some fans expect rookies to be flawless now. He showed enough to me to give me hope he is our PG of the future.
 
AKMVP said:
lol, so lets ignore, PER, 3 pt shooting and rebounding as well. How about we take a look at clutch stats?
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Rebounding? The stat where Trey Burke got one more rebound every 72 minutes? And that's relevant for a point guard?

I'd say Burke resembles more Derek Fisher than Telfair. But even then, Fisher got to the line a lot his rookie year.

Let's not ignore PER. Not as bad as Telfair, but below average. 3 pt shooting. Not as bad as Telfair but below league average. Telfair didn't shoot it much from deep anyway, since he knew he was bad.

So where's the Ferrari?
 
Burke has a very low ceiling. So low that even he hasto duck.

Two strength's that people cite all the time are 1. His AST to To rate, and his FT %.

For AST to To, we don't really know what his NBA #'s are, since Hayward ran the offense for most of the year. Also, isn't shooting 38 FG% and having the second highest FGAs on team wasting posessions? Seems like his **** shooting and shot selection should be counting as turnovers.

As for FT's, he never went to the line. If he can't get there, this stat is worthless.



His lack of defensive potential, super, super, super, slow pace, and inability to attack the rim, are huge detriments to this team.

Can he improve? Sure. But he is close to 22, has 2 yrs of college experience, and has been coached his entire life. Factor his history w/ his body and lack of athleticism, and it doesn't look bright. We don't need a star at every position, but we do need a star, and he is certainly lead canidate to be the sacrificial lamb.
 
I agree we need to give time to Trey Burke, but drafiting Exum doesn't ruin that.


Also remember....Michael Carter Williams is OLDER than Kyrie Irving.
 
Trey is a good enough player. He's a guy that takes care of the ball and he shoots well. He needs to work on his inside game for sure.
 
nateboz said:
Trey is a good enough player. He's a guy that takes care of the ball and he shoots well. He needs to work on his inside game for sure.
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Your ideas about who shoots well, and who doesn't are obviously not based in stats, or reality.

Trey shot 33% from 3, and 38% from the field.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Your ideas about who shoots well, and who doesn't are obviously not based in stats, or reality.

Trey shot 33% from 3, and 38% from the field.
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Trey played poorly the last few months of the season. He still shot 90%+ from the line. In college he shot like 45%. I can and do blame Ty Corbin for a portion of his poor numbers. Quite often the Jazz ran terrible plays that forced Trey into bad shots at the end of the shot clock. Trey has a nice smooth release. He just needs to be better conditioned. I hope that Snyder has the tools to help put Trey in better spots. I believe in Trey.
 
The Jazz are not getting rid of Burke. If we draft Exum we will be trading him. So don't worry.
The Jazz don't want to create tension between players.
My guess is we either trade up or trade down. I don't think we like what is available at 5.
 
nateboz said:
Trey played poorly the last few months of the season. He still shot 90%+ from the line. In college he shot like 45%. I can and do blame Ty Corbin for a portion of his poor numbers. Quite often the Jazz ran terrible plays that forced Trey into bad shots at the end of the shot clock. Trey has a nice smooth release. He just needs to be better conditioned. I hope that Snyder has the tools to help put Trey in better spots. I believe in Trey.
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He never got to the FT line.

And Trey was one of the big reasons why we were in late clock situations, not just Ty, because his pace was too damn slow. He admitted as much on locker clean out day. Fact is, his pace put the rest of our team in bad situations. Trey's lack of athleticism, mixed with lack of height are why he hasn't been able to shoot in the NBA. Trey does not have a nice, smooth release on his jumper,. He has a flat, line drive. His set shot is nice and smooth. Two different forms. He needs to work on connecting the two form.

Also, in the A. Gordon Diary thread, you called his .356 3pt % a bad #. Are you not aware that Trey averaged .367% ?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trey-burke-1.html

(Yes, Trey had more attempts. Not saying Trey was a bad shooter in college. Just pointing out how your claim in other thread works against you).
 
Trey is an undersized pg with a bad shot selection in his first year. I fully believe he will get a lot better. Plus he broke a finger on his shooting hand. They even said it bugged him the whole season.

I don't look towards stats in these circumstances. I look at the players shot, trey is a good shooter.
 
#1 - Trey hasn't shown me that much. I think if you ranked teh starting PGs in the league he'd be in the bottom 3. Maybe bottom 1. He may have been the best rookie last year, but that really isn't saying much. Plus, Trey got handed the minutes that players need to shine, and he didn't exactly set the world on fire.

#2 - Exum and Trey could easily play together. Exum is 6'6" and long. should be plenty of mintues for both.

#3 - I believe that Exum if there at #5 presents the highest value pick regardless of position. I'd take him at #5 if I had a young John Stockton playing the point, not because I wanted to replace John, but, because I feel drafting Exum adds the greatest value to the team.

#4 - The other options at that point in the draft would likely be Vonleh, Randle, or Gordon. While I like Vonleh and could accept Gordon, neither to me seem to be teh bpa or the best fit for the Jazz. I think Exum as a 1/2 would have a far easier time fitting into our rotation than trying to shoehorn a PF into our SF position as we'd be doing with Gordon or possibly Randle. And we dont' really NEED another PF anyway.

#5 - I just have never warmed to Trey. He's got the upside of Jameer Nelson. And that doesn't make my butterflies fly. Sorry.
 
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