The Thriller
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Too much. Can't give up Burks.
I'd rather draft Exum/Gordon at 5 than give up all our picks + Burks.
I'd rather draft Exum/Gordon at 5 than give up all our picks + Burks.
Jazz have "zeroed in" on Jabari Parker
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Sexual Favors
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Exum has that potential as well, and he could be there at 5 w/ us keeping all of our assets.
If A. Gordon's FT's are coming truly coming along, his ceiling is infinitely higher than Parker's.
Not to mention Burks' own potential (26.1 pts w/ 10 FTAs per game per 40 in college)
Or the player that the GSW pick could net us. GSW will be falling apart by 2017 draft, because of their books, and ages of certain key players. That could be a really high pick, in what is starting to look like a promising draft.
I'm not sure Parker merits that much risk. Good player, but will he be that good?
b_line
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There is so much I disagree with about this post. But the fact that you think his value is overrated due to his religion is just ridiculous. He is top three in every mock draft, and rated as one of the best prospects by every gm in the league. There has got to be something other than his religion behind teams reasoning for wanting to draft him that high. Maybe it's because he can actually play basketball, and will probably the next Paul pierce or Carmelo Anthony?
Doublea
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I don't think the GS pick will be all that great. So would you trade: Exum, draft picks... for Jabari, OJ Mayo?
Well it's certainly more risky taking a punt on Exum/Gordon. Jabari's scoring is sure to translate in the NBA there's no question about that.
Burks therefore is your 'insurance' money in a way.
Sexual Favors
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I'm not bringing religion into anything. It's always been there. This is Utah.
I've always said he would be good, and he was a player I wanted. But, he is not in the same tier of prospects that Lebron or KD were, and thus I don't think the package Kkk and others are promoting is merited. His value is inflated by his religion.
Coach Ellis
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I agree that it's too much to give up. I'd probably do it for just the picks though. If you truly think that he will be the offensive star that most expect then it's worth that price IMO. He's unproven, but you have to take the leap of faith. If he were proven, there's not any amount that the Jazz could pay to get him. Three 1st round picks is worth that. I think that Burks will be a very, very good player, so I'd prefer to hold on to him until they know exactly how the players they have fit together.
Wouldn't draft Exum unless a deal for Parker was done. Just not a fan.
Well he's not LeBron, or KD or even Carmelo, but by all accounts he should be a young Paul Pierce.
The Thriller
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Id do it for the picks.
I'd do it for Haywuss (if we could trade him).
I wouldn't do it for burks. He's the 1 player on this team who can be a star. He would be our Westbrook to Jabari's Durant.
Sexual Favors
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No. He'll be Jabari Parker, a good young player that will still need to make his way in the NBA.
Comps are very misleading. Jabari hasn't been an all star or won chips. He isn't without flaws.
There's wiggle room in most negotiations. If the other team doesn't think their leverage is as strong, they are less likely to try and bleed the other party.
There is no upside that I can see to seeming desperate in a negotiation and I have no idea how you drew the conclusion that it could be.
b_line
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What would you be willing to give up for James harden? How about Damian lillard? Parker is going to be at least as good as those guys. Think of it that way, and hopefully you will see why giving up burks and some picks is worth it to get a sure fire all star.
The Thriller
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I'd rather trade kanter too. We know that's coming anyway. It just depends on how quickly Gobert develops.
I don't want to part with Burks. Get rid of haywuss (if we could). But not burks. Get rid of Burks and you'll see him average 18+ pts all next year.
I don't want to part with Burks. Get rid of haywuss (if we could). But not burks. Get rid of Burks and you'll see him average 18+ pts all next year.
There's a decent chance that someone drafted after Parker will be better than him. I'd really like Parker, but it's important to remember that #2 and #3 in 2008 (an exceptionally strong draft) were Michael Beasley and OJ Mayo. In 2003 (the first or second best draft since '84), Darko went #2 and Dwyane Wade went #5.
What do you guys think a Sixers or Bucks fan would think of the trade? Would they see how awesome we think Burks will be as a great consultation? What about an indifferent fan of another team: do you think they'd rather have the #5, GS pick and Burks than Jabari? We're Burks delusional. That's fine. Just recognize that after we get Jabari we'll have enough time to get Jabari delusional too and start deeming him the next Jordan.
There's no question Exum and Gordon both have the potential to surpass Parker.
But as it stands (and as fans) we just don't have enough information about Exum's development and Gordon's reportedly 'improved' shooting to make an educated decision about whether or not they can be better than Parker.
I think we do know a little bit about Sam Hinkie's style. He drafted Noel and MCW last year and got rid of Drew Holliday. This tells me he's looking for young & athletic type players who has huge potential.
To me guys like Exum/Gordon and to a certain extent Alec Burks seem to fit the bill perfectly.
What I'm getting at is that we're all here thinking Burks is way too much to give up and anyone with a little less bias would see how clueless we are. Had we not drafted Burks, nobody would feel this way about him. People will have just as much opportunity to get delusional about Jabari too. All it would take is a bunch of people repeating the same garbage and we could believe he's the next DPOY. It's coming. I mean, Aaron Gordon is already a 17 ppg guy shooting 75% from the line.