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Aaron Gordon to Utah Jazz - Chad Ford

Stoked said:
So far the Jazz have not passed on anyone. They tried 4 times to get Smart to come in and his camp refused. So if anything it is Smart passing on the Jazz.
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I like Smart, but I think he's a bad fit for the new coach and the roster. They might love him and will gladly take him at 5 (which would make for one of the better smokescreens in the whole draft TBH) but I don't think so. I think it's down to Wiggins, Parker, Gordon, Exum or Vonleh. . . and I would be happy with any of those picks. More happy about Wiggins, Parker or Gordon, but still happy that the Jazz are getting a very good player this year.
 
jope said:
agreed, but that being said it was his contract that was obscene. (and i dont blame the FO for giving it; in his final rookie-scale season: 16p, 6r, 3.5a, 3.5b, 1.5s, an all-star appearance under his belt, 2nd straight all-defense team award, led the league in blocked-shots )
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I will always be a big fan of AK47
 
Why is Smart a bad fit for the Jazz? Our biggest weaknesses are toughness and perimeter defense. Smart has those attributes.

(And let me anticipate any response that includes "character issues": most of those are dramatically over-stated; all of his coaches talk about his work ethic, etc.)
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];852819 said:
Why is Smart a bad fit for the Jazz? Our biggest weaknesses are toughness and perimeter defense. Smart has those attributes.

(And let me anticipate any response that includes "character issues": most of those are dramatically over-stated; all of his coaches talk about his work ethic, etc.)
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Like you, I think his attributes will help the Jazz...But what about that whole thing about him not even wanting to work out for us after FOUR requests? I think that's a big red flag we have to consider.
 
akirac73 said:
Like you, I think his attributes will help the Jazz...But what about that whole thing about him not even wanting to work out for us after FOUR requests? I think that's a big red flag we have to consider.
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That has nothing to do directly with his fit on the roster. And, I'm prone to excuse a lot of stuff as smokescreen, but that's just me.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];852819 said:
Why is Smart a bad fit for the Jazz? Our biggest weaknesses are toughness and perimeter defense. Smart has those attributes.

(And let me anticipate any response that includes "character issues": most of those are dramatically over-stated; all of his coaches talk about his work ethic, etc.)
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For starters, I don't see P&R being a strength of his. I think that has to be a key factor in whoever they draft at PG. I see Ennis and Payton as better fits for this reason exactly. I don't think he has any real character issues and I like his fire and drive. I'm worried about him as a guard that struggles to shoot, but that's less important for a PG than a SG TBH. I've said that if the Jazz have him rated highest, that they should just draft him. I'm just not as impressed with him as many others are. Would I have picked him over Trey Burke last year? Absolutely. But I wouldn't take him over any of Wiggins, Parker, Gordon, Exum or Vonleh. That's my top 5 and the Jazz are guaranteed to get at least one of them for sure.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];852824 said:
That has nothing to do directly with his fit on the roster. And, I'm prone to excuse a lot of stuff as smokescreen, but that's just me.
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Agreed. He's a better physical specimen than Burke, but I think that Trey will make better decisions and be a better shooter. Smart has him whooped on defense, but hopefully a commitment to team defense will lessen that issue. I'm fine with them taking him, but I think that they can get better value with one of the other guys mentioned.

I don't have any problems with him not coming and working out. That's a business decision, just like who the Jazz draft will be a business decision as well. Emotions shouldn't play a part in million dollar decisions involving athletes. If he's the best guy on their board, the Jazz will draft him whether Marcus Smart or Trey Burke likes it or not.
 
Ellis269 said:
For starters, I don't see P&R being a strength of his. I think that has to be a key factor in whoever they draft at PG. I see Ennis and Payton as better fits for this reason exactly. I don't think he has any real character issues and I like his fire and drive. I'm worried about him as a guard that struggles to shoot, but that's less important for a PG than a SG TBH. I've said that if the Jazz have him rated highest, that they should just draft him. I'm just not as impressed with him as many others are. Would I have picked him over Trey Burke last year? Absolutely. But I wouldn't take him over any of Wiggins, Parker, Gordon, Exum or Vonleh. That's my top 5 and the Jazz are guaranteed to get at least one of them for sure.
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It's interesting that you bring up P&R because Locke and the guest he had on for the podcast he posted today both mentioned that Smart is exceptional in the P&R from the film they saw and that it was that Oklahoma State just didn't run it very much. I don't know if that is true or not, but I found it interesting considering your point of view. Have you see Smart play a fair amount?
 
richgates said:
It's interesting that you bring up P&R because Locke and the guest he had on for the podcast he posted today both mentioned that Smart is exceptional in the P&R from the film they saw and that it was that Oklahoma State just didn't run it very much. I don't know if that is true or not, but I found it interesting considering your point of view. Have you see Smart play a fair amount?
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I haven't seen as much of him as some of the other prospects, but from what I have seen, he doesn't make the kind of decisions I'd like to see my PG make. Maybe the problem is that he hasn't had an opportunity to do it. . . that's certainly part of the evaluation process for Gordon and Vonleh. I'm glad that DL is making the decisions, because I think he's pretty good at it. I'm confident that the Jazz will get an excellent player out of this draft hopefully two.
 
Kenwood said:
My first reaction was that he was just basing it on Gordon having a second workout with the Jazz, but it sounds like he actually has some inside knowledge ("team is convinced that he could have an Andrei Kirilenko-like effect on the team"). Either that or he made it up.
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If I knew he would be half as good as AK, I'd take him.

NUMBERICA said:
Andrei Kirilenko is a ****ing swear-word.
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Don't be fatuous, Jeffery. Before his contract and chronic pussitis, AK was every Jazz Fans wet dream, including yours.

jope said:
agreed, but that being said it was his contract that was obscene. (and i dont blame the FO for giving it; in his final rookie-scale season: 16p, 6r, 3.5a, 3.5b, 1.5s, an all-star appearance under his belt, 2nd straight all-defense team award, led the league in blocked-shots )
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This. That dude was a game-changer on so many different levels, and was simply a joy to watch.

dytide said:
I will always be a big fan of AK47
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That makes two of us.
 
E.J. Wells said:
If I knew he would be half as good as AK, I'd take him.



Don't be fatuous, Jeffery. Before his contract and chronic pussitis, AK was every Jazz Fans wet dream, including yours.



This. That dude was a game-changer on so many different levels, and was simply a joy to watch.



That makes two of us.
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If he has AK's skills... with his demeanor and work ethic he'll be awesome. I think people are having a hard time because we aren't getting the can't miss all-star/ top 10 players. All of the players have flaws, who knows who will improve. Gordon works hard... sometimes the hard work helps players improve and other times it is always a detriment. Sucks but this is what we are left with.
 
Lattimer said:
"Aaron Gordon is the Russell Westbrook of this draft"

Troof.

It's gotta be Gordon at #5 or Wiggins/Parker if we move up.
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I'd settle for him being the Dwayne Wade of this draft. Everyone looks as Wade and sees his success, but forget that the 2003 draft was a 3 player draft. LeBron, Darko and Carmello were all going to be stars. That was it. Toronto was pretty settled into getting Bosh with the fourth pick, but nobody knew what Miami was going to do at 5. They were projected to take Chris Kaman by many and most people had Wade going to Chicago at 7. Pat Riley wanted a star, did his homework and took the guy that he felt stood out the most. That's how Wade ended up in Miami. It wasn't anywhere close to a forgone conclusion that he'd be a top 5 pick.

To be perfectly honest, it really seems to mirror this draft a lot. With Embiid out, most people are sold on Wiggins (LeBron) and Parker (Carmello) going 1 and 2. Dante Exum has quickly risen into that unknown international man of mystery role (Darko) and either Embiid or Vonleh will likely get drafted early based on their size and potential (Bosh). The guy left over who has always stood out to me as having the highest chance of reaching his potential is Aaron Gordon. I like pretty much everything about him except for where his shooting currently is at. I do think that he can (and will) improve in this area. I think he's a special player.

If they don't trade up for Wiggins/Parker, then Gordon is the guy I hope they pick.
 
[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];852819 said:
Why is Smart a bad fit for the Jazz? Our biggest weaknesses are toughness and perimeter defense. Smart has those attributes.

(And let me anticipate any response that includes "character issues": most of those are dramatically over-stated; all of his coaches talk about his work ethic, etc.)
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Just to play Devil's advocate, because none of us truly have an idea whether the kid works hard or not, a college coach is going to say that 99 times out of 100. As soon as a collegiate coach starts knocking his exiting players who are trying to make cash money and make a living is the day he stops getting recruits.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Just to play Devil's advocate, because none of us truly have an idea whether the kid works hard or not, a college coach is going to say that 99 times out of 100. As soon as a collegiate coach starts knocking his exiting players who are trying to make cash money and make a living is the day he stops getting recruits.
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what about when his Team USA coach goes off-script in order to compliment him?
 
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