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Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.

jjscap said:
I find it noteworthy that in his post-draft interviews DL never mentioned Hayward. But on multiple times he mentioned Alec Burks. He once said Trey - Exum - Burks will form a unique 3-man rotation. I am guessing he means giving like 32-32-32 mpg for each guy, going with Trey - Burks, Trey - Exum and Exum - Burks backcourts throughout the game.
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I think more than anything, if we want to read into that, it's that the FO sees G-time as the full-time SF. With the emergence of Burks last season, it was going that direction, but the drafting of Exum cemented it. At 6'8" 225, he's a prototypical SF anyway.
 
Core4 said:
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Or he shot like a guy being asked to do everything, including cooking team meals. Before last season, Gordon had averages of 45%/40%. There's a reason he gets invited to US national team basketball camps. WE undervalue him and are quick to throw him away after a tough season. There are a LOT of teams who would love to have Gordon aboard. And I'm going to venture a guess that Snyder's ball motion, up-tempo offense will be more suited to Hayward's game than Corbin's YMCA pick-up game system.
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LOL- Most Jazz fans overvalue Hayward. They want to pay him like a superstar. He is a good role player, he is inconsistent and his shooting went down. People are saying Jodie Meeks got overpaid at $6 million a year but they want to turn around and pay $12+ and some want to give him the MAX. Now Hayward is the better player but his offensive numbers are eerily similar. How do Jazz fans explain the similar stats? They say Hayward sucked because the coach and Meeks excelled because of the system. So in reality they are making excuses and overvaluing Hayward.

Hayward is a $7-9 million player but since it is the NBA so he should get paid $10/11 million but he wants more than that because Utah offered him $10.5 and he turned it down. Now if Hayward had blown up and average 20 pts + on a higher percentage than I would say give him $14m but he didn't and I don't think he ever will so pay him as an above average role player.
 
da ThRONe said:
I think you are missing the point. I'm saying the Pistons overpaid Meeks.
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No I get it. Which is why I think it is funny because Hayward and Meeks had the similar shooting stats. Everything else Hayward does over Meeks (yes hayward is the better player) isn't worth the difference in what some fans want to pay Hayward.
 
BENTLEY said:
Hayward is not a max contract guy. We're all kinda bummed that Paul George is a star and we picked Hayday instead. Hayward's talent is inferior to George but not by too much, and that means the Jazz have almost as good of a player without having to pay the max. Jazz SHOULD save some $ on a almost as good talent. Just don't pay him max. I think he's worth 7M, but he'll get at least 10. Hopefully not much more than that.
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I read somewhere that the Jazz offered him $10.5 before last year so you are spot on with what they think his value is. I agree with your post.
 
cowhide said:
No I get it. Which is why I think it is funny because Hayward and Meeks had the similar shooting stats. Everything else Hayward does over Meeks (yes hayward is the better player) isn't worth the difference in what some fans want to pay Hayward.
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I think Hayward is a better player than he showed last year. I really think a bunch of guys on this roster are better than they showed last year. But I still think paying him over 10M per year is insane. I'd almost rather have Parsons than Hayward and if Hayward is getting more money then I definitely would rather have Parsons. I hope to have Hayward back, I really like the way he plays. But the money needs to be right.
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I was one firmly against the Jazz giving AK a max contract. For a lot of the same reason's I don't want anything to do with Hayward as a max or even near max player. I just don't think he has it in him to live up to that kind of contract. Even if he is better than he showed under a terrible system/coach.
 
BENTLEY said:
Hayward is not a max contract guy. We're all kinda bummed that Paul George is a star and we picked Hayday instead. Hayward's talent is inferior to George but not by too much, and that means the Jazz have almost as good of a player without having to pay the max. Jazz SHOULD save some $ on a almost as good talent. Just don't pay him max. I think he's worth 7M, but he'll get at least 10. Hopefully not much more than that.
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I'm not sure George will ever live up to that contract. I definitely don't want Hayward at that price.
 
cowhide said:
LOL- Most Jazz fans overvalue Hayward. They want to pay him like a superstar.
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Where did I ever say that? He's certainly not a superstar, but he's not an average role player, either. Average role players do NOT get invited to US national team camps, especially at his position where there is so much talent. He had a bad season last year. Get over it. Look at his body of work before that: 45%/40%. Last season he was asked to be the playmaker and the top scorer. OK, we discovered he's neither Kobe nor Lebron. But we're not going to pay him $22-$30M, either.

He's worth whatever the market pays him. If Boston or Phoenix or Cleveland gives him an offer sheet for $12M, that's what he's worth in their eyes. If they give him an offer sheet for $10M; that's his value. And Lindsey can choose to match it or go after another FA. Or give the starting job to Hood.
 
cowhide said:
I read somewhere that the Jazz offered him $10.5 before last year so you are spot on with what they think his value is. I agree with your post.
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This is another thing that is strange about people being willing to give him $12-14M or even more. They offered the $10.5 before last season, then he went out and had a subpar year - you don't go up the ante by $4M a year after he underperformed in his most important season. It simply doesn't make sense.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
This is another thing that is strange about people being willing to give him $12-14M or even more. They offered the $10.5 before last season, then he went out and had a subpar year - you don't go up the ante by $4M a year after he underperformed in his most important season. It simply doesn't make sense.
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Who said we're upping the ante by $4M? I could be wrong, but I've read through this thread and no one has suggested Lindsey offer Hayward $14M. The only debate is IF another team decided that was his value, should the Jazz match? That's a helluva lot different than saying Lindsey should get on the phone right now and just tell the agent Utah's offer is 5 yrs/$70M. If I were a betting man, I'd probably venture a guess that the Jazz presented him with the exact same offer as before as a gesture of goodwill, saying they realized he had a tough season, but were confident he would bounce back. And Hayward likely countered with the same demand as last summer. Now they're shopping around to see if he gets a higher offer elsewhere.
 
Core4 said:
Who said we're upping the ante by $4M? I could be wrong, but I've read through this thread and no one has suggested Lindsey offer Hayward $14M. The only debate is IF another team decided that was his value, should the Jazz match? That's a helluva lot different than saying Lindsey should get on the phone right now and just tell the agent Utah's offer is 5 yrs/$70M. If I were a betting man, I'd probably venture a guess that the Jazz presented him with the exact same offer as before as a gesture of goodwill, saying they realized he had a tough season, but were confident he would bounce back. And Hayward likely countered with the same demand as last summer. Now they're shopping around to see if he gets a higher offer elsewhere.
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Super weird post.

Whether it's due to a matching offer or simply offering the money, it doesn't matter. You don't give him $4M more than you wanted to give him the previous season after he underperformed. If somebody gives him $14M per, you wish him luck and go after Ariza and/or Parsons.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Super weird post.

Whether it's due to a matching offer or simply offering the money, it doesn't matter. You don't give him $4M more than you wanted to give him the previous season after he underperformed. If somebody gives him $14M per, you wish him luck and go after Ariza and/or Parsons.
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And I'd agree with you. I don't think Hayward is worth $14M to Utah. But you're still missing my argument. I never said he was worth $14M. None of us said Lindsey should offer him that much which is what you had claimed.

And the second point is a player is worth what he was offered. When Matthews signed with Portland, 29 other teams said an undrafted player was not worth $6M+/per, which was $2M more than the player drafted #1. Utah said he was not worth $9M to them (since they would have been in the luxury tax). But Matthews was worth that contract to Portland, especially since only they knew at the time that Roy's career was over.
 
Hayward's getting close to the max... My guess is 12-14 M. It's just supply and demand. There are a lot of dollars out there and not a lot of players. His name has been linked to 5 or 6 teams already. You can't compare one summer to another because they are different markets... It's like trying to get a housing comp from 12 to 18 months ago... It's no longer relevant because the market has change.
 
Core4 said:
And I'd agree with you. I don't think Hayward is worth $14M to Utah. But you're still missing my argument. I never said he was worth $14M. None of us said Lindsey should offer him that much which is what you had claimed.
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I said somebody on here said Lindsey should just outright offer him that much? Really? I may not have been as clear as I should have been, but I most definitely never said anybody here said Lindsey should offer him that much. I said "people" - there are a lot more "people" out there than those posting on JF.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
I'm calling smokescreen. Now watch someone throw teh max at Hayblurb.
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And the Jazz will do the same thing they did with Matthews and Milsap. They'll say show us the offer sheet. It's a huge risk for another team if all they're doing is a favor to an agent. First they have to clear the room, then they'll have to keep it open until July 13th. In the meantime, other FA's will be shopping and signing elsewhere. If Lindsey matches, Boston (or whichever team give him an offer sheet) has to scramble to find other FA's. If Utah doesn't match, they've gotten a very good player, but at an inflated cost.
 
da ThRONe said:
Actually it was 4 years 50M's which is 12.5M's per season.
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It was rumored, but never confirmed, IIRC, that a Favors-type deal was floated. But no one confirmed whether that was from the Jazz or what Hayward wanted. The only thing I remember reading is that the sides were several million apart. But again, no one knows whether that was per year or over the entire contract.
 
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