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Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.

Does any here honestly think the Jazz will attract a big name FA in the next 2 years? Really? We're going to suck clown *******, no one will want to play here until we're near contention and we're not even close.
 
Avery said:
Don't blame Hayward for this, but give props to an agent that was smart enough to gauge and project last year that salaries would go through the roof this year due to impending TV contracts and a lack of big names on the market.

Face it, there are too many teams with too much cap room and not enough premium players to fill it. Guys like Gordon who are $10 mil a year guys are going to bank $15 mil. If we don't pay it, someone else will. We have so much room that you can give GH and Marvin good contracts and still ample room to fill it with vets who ride the bench, get garbage minutes or play 10-15 a night at best.

Does it suck? Absolutely. But unless you have someone who can fill Gordon't role who's better at a cheaper price, you bring him back. Signing scrubs to friendly deals is only going to take you to the 8th seed at best.

If you want to swing for the fences, you're going to have to take the risk associated with it.
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1st nobody should be upset at Hayward we would all do the same. Cashing in while we have the case.

However what you are suggesting is why non glamour teams suffer. Acting out of a sense of desperation or weakness. You want to make smart businesses decisions at all times. If you don't feel player X is worth Y then you simply don't sign him. Clearly DL doesn't feel Hayward is worth a max otherwise he would have him signed already.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Does any here honestly think the Jazz will attract a big name FA in the next 2 years? Really? We're going to suck clown *******, no one will want to play here until we're near contention and we're not even close.
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You never know, but if you start handing out max contracts to players like Hayward then you'll never have a chance.
 
da ThRONe said:
The problem is you don't know who will be interested or available next year or two years from now. This is why smart spending never goes out of style. You may be able to add a big like Marc Gasol next year for example. Somebody who's much more deserving of a max deal than Hayward.
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This.
We cant predict the future.
Sure we have the money to spend now and be just fine but 3 years from now maybe there will be a player that we want but cant get because gordo is making 16 million and only deserving 10.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Does any here honestly think the Jazz will attract a big name FA in the next 2 years? Really? We're going to suck clown *******, no one will want to play here until we're near contention and we're not even close.
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We will have assets though. Another way to get big name players is through trade. (harden)
 
Gonna be fun watching all of the hate gordon gets from jazz fanz or cavs fans if he gets a max deal and doesnt come close to living up to it
 
The Thriller said:
If?

Does anyone other than the dumbest owner in sports, think that Gordon is worth the max?
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The "if" is in regards to "if" he gets a max contract
 
baka98 said:
Each team must meet a minimum payroll:

Season Minimum Payroll Amount

2011-12 80% of the cap $46.435 million
2012-13 85% of the cap $49.337 million
2013-14 90% of the cap $52.811 million

If a team doesn't meet its minimum payroll it is surcharged at the end of the season for the shortfall. That money is distributed among the players on that team.


https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q15
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So...the penalty is just paying up to that amount. Why would the Jazz overpay players on longterm contracts that could hurt future flexibility to hit a threshold that doesn't come with any additional penalty? The minimum salary threshold shouldn't play into any contract decision.


baka98 said:
You do realize that the cap is going up each year right? We still will have around $26M next year to spend.
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The Jazz currently have about $30mm in cap space without Gordo (depending on unguaranteed players). If Gordo makes $15mm in 15/16, and the salary cap goes up by the forecasted additional $3mm next season, the Jazz would have $18mm (more likely less) of space before signing draft picks, Alec Burks and Enes Kanter.

So...the Jazz will likely be done with major free agent signings if they match a big offer for Gordo.
 
baka98 said:
You do realize that the cap is going up each year right? We still will have around $26M next year to spend. What would you do with the money then? Let it sit there?
We gotta do something to make the next step and I agree w/Avery's post. Gotta take a chance.
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Yes no **** the cap goes up every year. I am well aware of that. That doesn't change any of the logic that I laid out in my post. You can rationalize it any which way you want, but overpaying players is never a good idea for a small market team. Period. We're not the Yankees.
 
I don't think we are going to miss out on any big free agents by re-signing Hayward. I can't see many players flocking to Utah. I also don't see it causing us to be unable to re-sign Enes. Besides $ coming out of the Miller's pocket, I don't see a whole lot of downsize to keeping him.

If I have a choice of the Jazz having a roster with or without Gordon, I keep Gordon every time.
 
Best case scenario is the Jazz working a sign-and-trade. Gordo isn't worth more than $9mm on a team with top talent. No way in hell I'd match a max contract.
 
bigmike said:
Yes no **** the cap goes up every year. I am well aware of that. That doesn't change any of the logic that I laid out in my post. You can rationalize it any which way you want, but overpaying players is never a good idea for a small market team. Period. We're not the Yankees.
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You're not overpaying if that is what the market dictates...
 
baka98 said:
You're not overpaying if that is what the market dictates...
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Oof. Do people actually think this way? The Jazz should be concerned with cost v. benefit of Gordo on the Jazz, not on the Cavs or any other team.
 
Hayward is a nice player, I like him. But I don't think he has a much higher ceiling than where he already is. The only things I could see him improving are his shooting percentages. That would make him better for sure, but there is a limit to how hood he can get, right? He just isn't fast enough or explosive enough to elevate to an elite level. He doesn't really blow by anyone when driving to the hoop. And he doesn't finish very well either.

Tbh...Hayward 's offense is very good. It's ok I guess. It's his defense that makes him good. His defense is pretty stellar actually.

And that's what kind of makes this hard. It's hard to find good defenders and two way players. I think if you are the Jazz, you are hoping his offense can get better, and you are satisfied with his defense. He's gonna be a good pro too. You know he'll work hard and not get in trouble.

But if his offense doesn't get better then, then you got a really bad contract on your hands.

I think the Jazz do match.
 
Do you guys actually understand supply vs. demand? And BTW, there is a huge benefit of Hayward on the Jazz. He makes others better. Burks does not.
 
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