Cavs offer Gordo MAX deal (maybe)

[Stifle Tower]

Exactly
This is why we dont overpay hayward...... because kanter and or burks might go out this year and play great and DESERVE the money being tossed around hayward.

And then we let them walk because another team wants to overpay them and we don't think they're worth it. So we finish with 25 wins this season and next and the one after. We can always afford to let players go because we're tanking for a lottery pick.

 

[cowhide]

According to nba.com.

Bye bye gordo

"The offer from the Cavs is believed to be a max deal, which for Hayward would be a four-year, $63 million deal with a first year salary of $14.8 million. That would be a substantial raise from the $3.5 million Hayward earned last season (although Hayward was still on his rookie deal)."

This is why sports is out of control and why sports keep average americans away from going to the arena. What has Hayward done to get a 11 million dollar raise especially after this past season. If this is true the Jazz front office should wish Gordon well and start looking at Parsons, Ariza or other options. There is no way Hayward has earned that amount of money and there is no way the Jazz should pay that amount.

 

[rocfan1]

ESPN is also reporting Cavs intentions to sign him to max deal

 

[cowhide]

And then we let them walk because another team wants to overpay them and we don't think they're worth it. So we finish with 25 wins this season and next and the one after. We can always afford to let players go because we're tanking for a lottery pick.

Seriously, you make it sound as though the Jazz are the Clippers. I know it is hard but rebuilding the right way takes time. You don't just pay average/good players MAX money because you might have to spend an extra year in the lottery. I would rather spend 1-3 years in the lottery than another 25 years battling for 8th place.

 

[cowhide]

The problem with this thinking is the supposition that giving Hayward this deal would hurt us in any way. The cap is going up every year, maybe as high as 80 mil after the TV deal. If his deal is four years, it will be up when time comes to extend Exum. It in no way hapers us trying to extend our other players. Unfortunately it is just market price for someone with his talents this year. Jazz should have done the deal last year instead of waiting.

Yes it does. It sets the price for other guys on the Jazz. Burks blows up this year do you think he is going to be happy making less than Hayward. You don't EVER give MAX money to a role player.

 

[Zulu]

I think the Jazz are going to ask to see a MAX offer. They're not going to believe his agent unless they see a signed deal.

If Hayward signs the deal, he can't get counter offer from the jazz.

He will either be with the Cavs with that deal or Jazz with that deal!

 

[silesian]

Yes it does. It sets the price for other guys on the Jazz.

The market will set the price . Specifically how much someone else episode willing to pay burks

 

[fishonjazz]

And then we let them walk because another team wants to overpay them and we don't think they're worth it. So we finish with 25 wins this season and next and the one after. We can always afford to let players go because we're tanking for a lottery pick.

Did you not read the part of my post where I said that kanter or burks might go out next year and play well enough to DESERVE the max money contract.

Exactly
This is why we dont overpay hayward...... because kanter and or burks might go out this year and play great and DESERVE the money being tossed around hayward.

Why would we let a player go that deserves a max contract.
Pay guys what they deserve, or just a little bit more (or less if you can). Its that simple. Don't over pay by 25 million dollars. That is always a bad idea.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

If Hayward signs the deal, he can't get counter offer from the jazz.

He will either be with the Cavs with that deal or Jazz with that deal!

Last night Locke was saying how Gordo does not like Cleveland at all and is on record of making many disparaging comments about the team and city. Locke said he'd be shocked if Hayward went there.

$15 million per year, however, can be pretty persuasive.

 

[silesian]

Correct but oversimplified

If Hayward signs the deal, he can't get counter offer from the jazz.

He will either be with the Cavs with that deal or Jazz with that deal!

Correct but misleading. The way this works is that Hayward's agent could show the caves offer to the jazz before gordon signs it and the jazz could make an offer (could be 5 yrs gir more total guaranteed money, less per year) and Hayward could choose to sign the jazz offer (in which case it's done) or the caves offer ( in which case the jazz could match)

 

[Edgewriter]

This is why sports is out of control and why sports keep average americans away from going to the arena. What has Hayward done to get a 11 million dollar raise especially after this past season. If this is true the Jazz front office should wish Gordon well and start looking at Parsons, Ariza or other options. There is no way Hayward has earned that amount of money and there is no way the Jazz should pay that amount.

Neither of those players are better than Gordon or make the team better in any way. It's not even a sideways step. It's a step back.

 

[billyshelby]

Correct but misleading. The way this works is that Hayward's agent could show the caves offer to the jazz before gordon signs it and the jazz could make an offer (could be 5 yrs gir more total guaranteed money, less per year) and Hayward could choose to sign the jazz offer (in which case it's done) or the caves offer ( in which case the jazz could match)

This makes little financial sense for Hayward because he's giving up a year of free agency. At the end of a 4 year MAX he's 28 and signs a second MAX deal at a much higher number in year 5. In the Jazz scenario, he's making substantially less in year 5, and he's 29 looking for his next MAX deal.

 

[Ellipse]

ESPN is reporting it:

https://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/...-maximum-offer-sheet-gordon-hayward-utah-jazz

Gordo will be taking the money they saved for LeBron? The fans in Cleveland are going to just love him.

Likely a rumor circulated by Hayward's agent to generate interest. He had to do something to counter Boston going in a different direction.

 

[GVC]

At the end of a 4 year MAX he's 28 and signs a second MAX deal at a much higher number in year 5.

This depends on how much the cap increases over the first 4 years of the hypothetical max contract.

 

[Ellipse]

And then we let them walk because another team wants to overpay them and we don't think they're worth it. So we finish with 25 wins this season and next and the one after. We can always afford to let players go because we're tanking for a lottery pick.

No, we let them walk because we spent too much money for Hayward and can't afford them. Wes Matthews all over again.

 

[slc]

All of these numbers for Gordon from the very beginning have been speculation.
The 4 year 50 mil offer from Jazz was never confirmed.
This offer from Cavs is just speculation.
In the end it will turn out to be a reasonable contract that he signs from somebody.
The NBA supposedly fought hard to prevent overspending.
No team would ever offer him these kind of numbers.

Will be shocked if he really gets any of these outrageous numbers.

 

[billyshelby]

This depends on how much the cap increases over the first 4 years of the hypothetical max contract.

Fair, but the Jazz can't start the new deal higher than 14.8 right? So if they flatten out the numbers (with a few raises mixed in), they'll still have a hard time getting to the number in year 5 that Gordon's new MAX deal as an FA would reach in what is projected to be a substantially higher cap.

I'm guessing the solution might be a signing bonus, but I really don't know how that would work. I really don't want to see the Jazz get too creative in trying to overpay him, but I'm wondering what the enticement might be beyond hoping for a little hometown discount.

 

[Ellipse]

Cleveland: Where mediocrity is worshipped!

 

[franklin]

Likely a rumor circulated by Hayward's agent to generate interest. He had to do something to counter Boston going in a different direction.

Wouldn't it be bad strategy to scare everyone else off?

 

[GVC]

Fair, but the Jazz can't start the new deal higher than 14.8 right? So if they flatten out the numbers (with a few raises mixed in), they'll still have a hard time getting to the number in year 5 that Gordon's new MAX deal as an FA would reach in what is projected to be a substantially higher cap.

I'm guessing the solution might be a signing bonus, but I really don't know how that would work. I really don't want to see the Jazz get too creative in trying to overpay him, but I'm wondering what the enticement might be beyond hoping for a little hometown discount.

Certainty. Gordo gets more guaranteed dollars. I'd be surprised if Gordo makes a big enough jump to get a max contract in 4 years. It's insane that there's any discussion about him getting the max now.