Jazz Officially Matched Hayward According to Woj

[oldtimer]

just going to make a prediction. Hayward will not live up to a 4 year 63 million contract. When he struggles people will boo him. They shouldn't, but they will.

 

[UGLI baby]

I can't believe that anyone still has to explain why that extension was terrible.

The Memo extension was one of the most shocking, truly terrible Jazz transactions that I remember. It was a year early, and Memo's health was going downhill fast, yet we still gave him full market value and killed any flexibility we had in the latter years of the Dwill Boozer era. It was nuts, and the only example where I think you can definitively say that the Jazz organization made a decision almost entirely with their heart.

 

[fishonjazz]

Is this player max?

42% FG, 39% 3-PT, 6.8 rbds, 3.5 assists. 1.9 steals

How many points

 

[fishonjazz]

Let him walk, keep renting cap space, tank another year, stay flexible for when the Jazz have players worth that salary or are in a position to acquire that player in a trade.

Yep.

Its really quite simple folks

 

[Nate505]

just going to make a prediction. Hayward will not live up to a 4 year 63 million contract. When he struggles people will boo him. They shouldn't, but they will.

I have no issues with people booing if he struggles.

You want to be paid like the man, you better expect to be treated like the man. There's a reason why people who make $8 million dollar contracts don't get the same expectations.

 

[dipship31]

I have no issues with people booing if he struggles.

You want to be paid like the man, you better expect to be treated like the man. There's a reason why people who make $8 million dollar contracts don't get the same expectations.

Agreed, you know what you're getting into signing that deal.

 

[fishonjazz]

So now that hayward is our max guy and face of the franchise, without really earning it, what happens if he struggles really bad early next season?

I believe that the jazz have made thier bed and now will have to lay in it..... meaning that even if he sucks, snyder and the organization will continue to make him the featured player in the offense even if other players are playing better.

I think that they will try to make gordon "the man" again even though it failed last year because they kinda have to now in order to justify this contract.

Basically i think this contract guarantees his minutes and touches on offense regardless of if other players deserve more minutes and touches instead.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

So now that hayward is our max guy and face of the franchise, without really earning it, what happens if he struggles really bad early next season?

I believe that the jazz have made thier bed and now will have to lay in it..... meaning that even if he sucks, snyder and the organization will continue to make him the featured player in the offense even if other players are playing better.

I think that they will try to make gordon "the man" again even though it failed last year because they kinda have to now in order to justify this contract.

Basically i think this contract guarantees his minutes and touches on offense regardless of if other players deserve more minutes and touches instead.

I doubt it. Look what Tibbs did to Boozer in Chicago. Big contract or no, he played his best squad and adjusted according to the opposition. My guess is Q would do the same, contract #'s be damned.


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[The Thriller]

Yeah. I know. That's my point. I suppose you missed the part that you quoted "- or at least what should be his role (protecting the rim) -". Or perhaps your reading comprehension would bar you from passing the GED test.

I didn't miss anything. My precise point is that no team can even pretend that a championship is a possibility when their primary rim-protectors are Boozer and Okur, and their best rim-protector is a small-ish PF that comes off the bench. You fix that or you're just full of ****.



If it could be said that you could be dumber than you look, it would be. But that can only be said or believed so many times.

I don't disagree that a center should be the rim protector. But we were paying AK47 the max and thought that he was going to be our rim protector. Memo and AK47 essentially switched roles. Memo performed his role beautifully. AK47 did not.

Also, when did a healthy AK47 come off the bench for a significant amount of time during the Boozer/Memo/AK/ era? I'd like to know.

Nice personal insults though. I thought this board had a rule against those? Colton, Nate, etc? Where are you guys?

 

[The Thriller]

I have little doubt in my mind that this was a Miller family signing.

He looks like a Mormon and is white. They've tried Desperately to make him the face of the franchise despite Burks being the superior player overall.

This was a Miller family signing more than anything.

 

[Shocker00]

As long as I've been watching the Jazz (early 90's) we've only had (3) worthy max players: Karl, John, and Deron. I just see nothing from GH that tells me he will be part of this group. He'll be under constant scrutiny from Jazz fans for the next 4 years and I fear we'll be quite resentful these next years towards him. He'll have a bad game and we'll say "WTF max player?!?!", he'll have a great game and we'll say "why don't you do that more often max player?". Unless he averages around 19PPG, 6 RPG, and 5 AST with nice efficiency I think it's going to get ugly for him.

All three of those guys earned max contracts before they were granted.
Malone
Stockton
Williams

Undeserving max contracts puts you in mediocrity for a long time
Kirilenko
Okur
Hayward

 

[da ThRONe]

So now that hayward is our max guy and face of the franchise, without really earning it, what happens if he struggles really bad early next season?

I believe that the jazz have made thier bed and now will have to lay in it..... meaning that even if he sucks, snyder and the organization will continue to make him the featured player in the offense even if other players are playing better.

I think that they will try to make gordon "the man" again even though it failed last year because they kinda have to now in order to justify this contract.

Basically i think this contract guarantees his minutes and touches on offense regardless of if other players deserve more minutes and touches instead.

This. It has been proven time and time again that guys are given unearned hype and unfair additional chances based on things like contracts and draft order. If this goes bad Lindsey will likely put pressure on Snyder to play Hayward to try and justify his contract. Even if Hood and Burks comes in right away and completely out play Hayward I see no way the Jazz as an franchise can just play Gordon back up mins.

This IMO is Lindsey's first huge compound mistake.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Watching Sportscenter, they just mentioned Bosh's max deal. As bad as the G-time signing is, I'd rather have Hayward at 4 years $63 M than that 6'11" soft *** shooting guard at 5 years $118 M.

 

[UGLI baby]

Watching Sportscenter, they just mentioned Bosh's max deal. As bad as the G-time signing is, I'd rather have Hayward at 4 years $63 M than that 6'11" soft *** shooting guard at 5 years $118 M.

Yeah, ppl want to pretend like Gordon got a "Gilbert Arenas OMGWTF?!?!" type Max, but it's just not true.

Hayward probly won't live up to the contract, but there is also very little chance of it becoming an albatross.

 

[The Thriller]

Watching Sportscenter, they just mentioned Bosh's max deal. As bad as the G-time signing is, I'd rather have Hayward at 4 years $63 M than that 6'11" soft *** shooting guard at 5 years $118 M.

Completely different situation. Miami is a desperate vet led team in the EC trying to milk a few more years out of their remaining big 2.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

All three of those guys earned max contracts before they were granted.
Malone
Stockton
Williams

Undeserving max contracts puts you in mediocrity for a long time
Kirilenko
Okur
Hayward

Okur did not get a max contract, even if some feel like he got more than he deserved on his last contract extension.



Also I have yet to find one person who thinks Hayward is worth or earned a max contract but two things. Timing is everything and the timing of this market led to the max offer. Also I am guessing that while not happy the Jazz matched and have contingency plans/ideas in place. I am also sure they looked at the upcoming FA class next year on who might be available and who would realistically agree/want to sign with the Jazz and they determined despite being over paid matching was the best option at this time.


Lastly I do NOT believe coach Q will give out playing time based on a player's salary, he doesn't owe Hayward anything as he's just coming into this situation. I do believe it will earn Hayward the benefit of the doubt and he will likely start even if it all implodes but if he plays that poorly he wouldn't get starter minutes.

 

[da ThRONe]

Watching Sportscenter, they just mentioned Bosh's max deal. As bad as the G-time signing is, I'd rather have Hayward at 4 years $63 M than that 6'11" soft *** shooting guard at 5 years $118 M.

Bosh was a superstar in Toronto and honestly I feel he can be that again without having to defer to James and Wade. What about Hayward even suggest he can be remotely as good as Bosh has already shown?

 

[Stoked]

Completely different situation. Miami is a desperate vet led team in the EC trying to milk a few more years out of their remaining big 2.

And Utah is a young up and coming team with 2-3 years before they might be contenders. The have the time and financial means to absorb this contract. Not ideal but not a game ender.

 

[akirac73]

I'm starting to not like Lindsey now...horrible ****ing decision. Just horrible. I guarantee even the biggest Hayward homers here will regret this within a year.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Bosh was a superstar in Toronto and honestly I feel he can be that again without having to defer to James and Wade. What about Hayward even suggest he can be remotely as good as Bosh has already shown?

So Bosh was good and actually played like a guy 6'11" 5-6 years ago. All LeBron needed him to do was rebound and defend like a big man and he couldn't do it. Don't count on a 31 year old Bosh returning to his 25 year old form.