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Jazz Officially Matched Hayward According to Woj

PKM said:
Stellar defense.

I'm more just pissed that this team will never be GREAT.. and we are more of less stuck with it. (I'm being a bit dramatic, I know.. but it's kind of fun.)
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If GH can do all that I wouldn't mind (those stats with stellar defense = him containing the other team's star).

I'm sitting here trying to figure out why DL wants him so badly and the only thing I keep thinking is DL must think GH will flourish with the additions to the team/player improvements?

I am looking for the rational reason from DL. Hayward had better be working hard this off-season and not merely sitting on his brand new toilet made of gold.
 
The Thriller said:
That wasn't ever memo's role.

No one thought memo was a rim protector. No one.
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Yeah. I know. That's my point. I suppose you missed the part that you quoted "- or at least what should be his role (protecting the rim) -". Or perhaps your reading comprehension would bar you from passing the GED test.

I didn't miss anything. My precise point is that no team can even pretend that a championship is a possibility when their primary rim-protectors are Boozer and Okur, and their best rim-protector is a small-ish PF that comes off the bench. You fix that or you're just full of ****.

If you thought that was his role then you're dumber than you look.
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If it could be said that you could be dumber than you look, it would be. But that can only be said or believed so many times.
 
Zulu said:
Not sold on Hayward signing, but how does this matching keep us from being Great...

Or in other words what course if action would you have taken?
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I don't think he is worth the money. It's that simple. I don't know, specifically, what I would do.. but I would prefer incredible flexibility to overpaying GH.
 
Zulu said:
Not sold on Hayward signing, but how does this matching keep us from being Great...

Or in other words what course if action would you have taken?
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Let him walk, keep renting cap space, tank another year, stay flexible for when the Jazz have players worth that salary or are in a position to acquire that player in a trade.
 
GVC said:
In the 3 seasons leading up to Memo's extension, these were the Jazz's per possession defensive ranks:

06/07: 18th
07/08: 12th
08/09: 10th

Ronnie Brewer and AK played the most minutes (per game) on the wing for the 08/09 team (CJ, at best an average shooter, was 4th after Korver). If you replace Memo with a defensive 5, those teams lose more in offense than they gain in defense.
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Which is why you jettison that dynamic. Get shooters on the wings, get a real rim-protector. Sometimes panic is the proper reaction, and the Jazz should've after seeing how terribly Brewer was exposed against the Lakers in '08.

Those rankings aren't terrible, but the gap between 10th and 5th is vast and that's usually about where a team needs to get, especially if their offense may be taxed (or may not depending on where else they get shooting and just how qualitative those options are [again, Korver and Matthews could've been real pieces and were already on the team]).

If you can't stop a guy at the rim, it's pretty safe to say you're not going to stop another team from winning a championship. That wasn't going to happen with Memo/Brewer/AK taking prominent roles and money.
 
kabenac said:
If GH can do all that I wouldn't mind (those stats with stellar defense = him containing the other team's star).

I'm sitting here trying to figure out why DL wants him so badly and the only thing I keep thinking is DL must think GH will flourish with the additions to the team/player improvements?

I am looking for the rational reason from DL. Hayward had better be working hard this off-season and not merely sitting on his brand new toilet made of gold.
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Why look for the answer to the question to anything other than the easiest and most simple answer? The Jazz management, have analyzed the situation, and have come to the conclusion that in terms of achieving their long-term goals, that it simply does not matter what Gordon is paid.

The vast majority of this board is completely fixated on the notion that Gordon's achievements to date have to match up with whatever salary he is paid. Jazz management is unconcerned that this has to be the case. I suspect the collective here is seeing several boogeymen in the closet that either don't exist or that their existence is greatly exaggerated.
 
cowhide said:
Really did you actually watch the Jazz especially at the end of the year when Kanter was playing like he did the previous year.
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I don't really like to cherry pick. Kanter has shown flashes from even his rookie year but never put it all together. Still potential obviously, but I would have no problem as a GM saying Hayward is a priority over Kanter.
 
We have to wait till Randy Rigby explains why Jazz did this.
Whatever he says will be good enough for me. :rolleyes:
 
Shocker00 said:
Not really, it would have been good if the Hornet's missed out on all the free agents they were interested in and sent a message to them. We will have plenty more RFA in the next few years and maybe that team would think twice next time before offering that type of money to a RSA tying their own hands behind their backs. Not only that but it sends a message to the rest of the league that if you offer one of our RFA money your tying your own hands behind your back on something we are going to match anyway.


Ohh and it was more than 13 hours, the Jazz had till 10.00 pm mst Sunday to match
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Maybe DL has a tee time and family plans today....
 
Jazz4ever said:
I don't really like to cherry pick. Kanter has shown flashes from even his rookie year but never put it all together. Still potential obviously, but I would have no problem as a GM saying Hayward is a priority over Kanter.
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I agree with this. I'm just not as sure about Kanter as I am about Hayward... And I'm not that sure about Hayward. God I hate the Corbin era so much.
 
I agree Pearl, it's easy to get caught up in the minute details and/or perceived ones and can't see the forest for the trees.

Speaking of one of those details, I was curious I thought the time started when the Jazz received the offer which would be early Thur morning and so the time would then end early Sun morning and not at the end of that day (Sun evening 10pm as someone stated). I know the opening period began 10pm MT (12am ET) so the earliest time they could've received the offer sheet was shortly after that time meaning on Sat shortly after 10pm they would've been the 3 days later.

But anyway I'm not lost on that detail was just curious.

Moving on, I agree with UGLI (can't decide if that is more shocking or that he actually made a really good point) you make decisions on what is best for your team and you do not make decisions focusing on other teams (even if it would feel nice to make them squirm that much longer). Making decisions that way is never a good idea as they are often based on emotional and not logical reasoning and causes you to lose focus on your own goals and plans.

I don't pretend to know what those reasons may be but common sense would say he's in town and if they sign him he can start to move forward with his life with his new wife here in UT and he can start working out with D Fav, other teammates and the coaching staff again.
 
Welcome back Hayward. Now develop that game. Fix your shot selection and have a breakout year!

Go Jazz!!!!
 
As long as I've been watching the Jazz (early 90's) we've only had (3) worthy max players: Karl, John, and Deron. I just see nothing from GH that tells me he will be part of this group. He'll be under constant scrutiny from Jazz fans for the next 4 years and I fear we'll be quite resentful these next years towards him. He'll have a bad game and we'll say "WTF max player?!?!", he'll have a great game and we'll say "why don't you do that more often max player?". Unless he averages around 19PPG, 6 RPG, and 5 AST with nice efficiency I think it's going to get ugly for him.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Those rankings aren't terrible, but the gap between 10th and 5th is vast and that's usually about where a team needs to get, especially if their offense may be taxed (or may not depending on where else they get shooting and just how qualitative those options are [again, Korver and Matthews could've been real pieces and were already on the team])
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Gap is 3 points per possession. If Jazz faltered three points per possession in offense that year, they would have gone from 9th to 24th.

I'm using ESPN for PPP, not sure what GVC is using. Shows Jazz as 12th in 08-09 and 6th in 07-08 in points per possession defensively.
 
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