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Jazz Officially Matched Hayward According to Woj

UGLI baby said:
because so many teams have cap space.
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Tell that to BTP.
He is certain that this year was an abberation and no one has cap space after this year
 
The Pearl said:
4. Consistent with the culture and process envisioned by the Miller family.

I think even the most diehard fans don't grasp the power of #4...


If Gordon signed for 10 million a year for the next 4 years, it doesn't change the outcome down the road. Each team has to split the total salary between X number of roster spots. The pie is the pie, how it is divided up, at the end of the day is totally irrelevant.
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1. How did last season fit into the culture and process traditionally envisioned by the Miller family?

2. In reference to the bolded and last season's management strategy as part of "the process", teams can choose to go light on talent and horde cap space instead of signing available players. Flexibility for future deals AND improved draft picks are valuable. I'm fairly neutral on this particular decision, but it's entirely possible the Jazz would be better off letting Gordo go and "tanking" for another season. If ownership wanted to go conservative with their rebuild, why not keep Millsap and Carroll? Why has the strategy seemingly shifted so drastically from one season to the next? Do they see something in Gordo? Would winning <30 games for a second consecutive season (which may happen anyway) cost too much relative to the potential benefit? I'm just having trouble seeing a plan. It doesn't help that DL was outsmarted by Gordo's agent throughout this process.
 
Obviously Gordon is not worth the max. However, DL had no choice but to match. We have to pay out 90% of the cap and there are no free agents that are better options. The problem is going to be when Gordon Hayward goes into one of his shooting funks and Burks is getting less minutes than Gordon. Snyder is gong to give Gordon more minutes, and we all know Gordon goes into his four or eight game funk where he can't throw it in the ocean, how is the rest of the team going to feel. Gordon is going to get booed more than he did on draft night. He doesn't seem like the kind of person who will handle that well. There is a chance that the Jazz could look really bad if Gordon has a worse year than last year. His shooting percentage has gone down every year, if it goes down next year....watch out.
 
GVC, hypothetically, next summer, could we sign a top free agent (let's say Marc Gasol) and then simply match on Burks....or extend Burks now and go after Gasol next summer? Financially, looking quickly at the numbers, it seems we could do so.

And let Kanter walk...
 
Shocker00 said:
Its also quite possible we can give someone a 2017 first round draft pick to take him off our hands in a couple years so we can clear cap room. Kind of like how we took on Richard Jefferson overpriced contract.
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Zero chance of this happening outside of a devastating injury.

Jefferson is like 42 years old bro.
 
The Thriller said:
I don't disagree that a center should be the rim protector. But we were paying AK47 the max and thought that he was going to be our rim protector. Memo and AK47 essentially switched roles. Memo performed his role beautifully. AK47 did not.

Also, when did a healthy AK47 come off the bench for a significant amount of time during the Boozer/Memo/AK/ era? I'd like to know.

Nice personal insults though. I thought this board had a rule against those? Colton, Nate, etc? Where are you guys?
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The personal attack complaint rings a little hollow when he responded to this, from you:

That wasn't ever memo's role.

No one thought memo was a rim protector. No one.

If you thought that was his role then you're dumber than you look.

Just saying.
 
Stoked said:
And Utah is a young up and coming team with 2-3 years before they might be contenders. The have the time and financial means to absorb this contract. Not ideal but not a game ender.
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I don't think this deal is ruinous to the team or anything, I just hate it.

The problem is though with the deal who knows what it could hamper in the future. Maybe nothing, maybe a future first round pick who ends up being great, maybe a diamond in the rough FA. On the other hand, as much as I hate this deal maybe Gordo proves me and others wrong and becomes a 20/6/5 sort of player who shoots at least 36% or so from the 3 point line.
 
I wanted to voice my opinion of the Hayward signing....

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But, what do I care, it won't cost me my job if it doesn't work out. Right Dennis?

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Nevertheless, when the ball goes up I will forget about the offseason drama and cheer for my team.

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UGLI baby said:
Zero chance of this happening outside of a devastating injury.

Jefferson is like 42 years old bro.
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lol..well he was actually 33 last year. If Gordon has a bad year again this year, who in their right mind would trade for him at 15m a yr after two consecutive bad years? Why would a contender want Hayward when he can't shoot or defend? When a contract becomes a liability then you have to start giving stuff up for someone to take that bad contract. Its like buying a 1 lb block of cheese for 15.00 and storing it for a six months and trying to sell it to get your money back. If the cheese is all moldy and green your going to have a hard time getting your 15.00 back. They might actually want you to pay them money to throw your moldy cheese in the garbage for you so you don't have to touch it.
 
sojodave said:
Obviously Gordon is not worth the max. However, DL had no choice but to match. We have to pay out 90% of the cap and there are no free agents that are better options. The problem is going to be when Gordon Hayward goes into one of his shooting funks and Burks is getting less minutes than Gordon. Snyder is gong to give Gordon more minutes, and we all know Gordon goes into his four or eight game funk where he can't throw it in the ocean, how is the rest of the team going to feel. Gordon is going to get booed more than he did on draft night. He doesn't seem like the kind of person who will handle that well. There is a chance that the Jazz could look really bad if Gordon has a worse year than last year. His shooting percentage has gone down every year, if it goes down next year....watch out.
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I think one of the wrinkle in this deal is that with Burke and now Exum handling the ball and making plays, Hayward won't be made to create his own shots so much, he'll be spotting up a lot more and the FO hopes that Hayward will do a lot better in that role vs what he had to do last year.
 
The Thriller said:
This debate is over now that the Hayward fan club is trying to drag Bosh down in order to build Hayward up.

As exciting as the draft was free agency has been equally depressing. Andrei Hayward just screwed us over big time. Sadly, we'll never be able to unload his albatross contract. And I agree, Snyder will now have to design his offense around a role Ayer and play him ahead of superior players (Hood and Burks) in order to justify the contract.

It's getting annoying how the Hayward fan club keeps compounding this Hayward debacle. Even last year they kept trying to justify him over George. Now you see them trying to justify this.

I don't understand it too. I'm a fan of the Utah Jazz. Not of any particular player. I just don't understand why he's so popular. Other than race, he looks Mormon, etc. burks is clearly the better player. But he's black and has tats.

Sad
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Problem solved.

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Hotttnickkk said:
I think one of the wrinkle in this deal is that with Burke and now Exum handling the ball and making plays, Hayward won't be made to create his own shots so much, he'll be spotting up a lot more and the FO hopes that Hayward will do a lot better in that role vs what he had to do last year.
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You don't pay 16M's per season for a spot up shooter and role player. That's cap space that is reserved for guys that dictate to the defense with their offensive abilities.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
You understand the price for him to come to Utah would have been more, right?
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The reports were he was looking for money between 9-11M's per. Even at the higher range he gives what Hayward does. And his contract doesn't come with funky kickers and he gives you what Hayward gives you minus the playmaking which he makes up for with better defense.
 
da ThRONe said:
The reports were he was looking for money between 9-11M's per. Even at the higher range he gives what Hayward does. And his contract doesn't come with funky kickers and he gives you what Hayward gives you minus the playmaking which he makes up for with better defense.
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People are being presumptuous that he would even go to Utah. Why are so many Jazz fans unable to see that quality FA's don't want to play there. Especially not when the team is that far removed from playoff caliber.
 
I hope the people saying this will not hurt us in the future are correct. I just can't see this as a good move. But I really hope I'm wrong and that Hayward shows to be worth more than a lot of us think or that the salary cap goes up enough to make it bearable.
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Either way I think this is the 1st move I really disagree with since DL took over as GM.
 
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