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Core4 said:
Umm, can you explain how that would work?
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Nba free agency began the 1st July....the Jazz had the time to make a convincing offer to Parsons if they wanted him....they could offer him $50mln for 3 years and decide to let Hayward go regardless the offer he gets from other teams...there were rumors that some teams were interested in giving Hayward a max contract. It's all about speculations...Jazz made the wrong speculations with Gordon and now they have to pay big money for a normal player. You don't give those money for lack of alternatives.

Anyway if you had to choose between Hayward and Parsons at a similar price, who would you take?

I'm very surprised the Rockets gave up to keep him! It's kind they underrate him. Last year he showed that he can be the 2nd offensive option in a good team.
 
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Diamond77 said:
Nba free agency began the 1st July....the Jazz had the time to make a convincing offer to Parsons if they wanted him....they could offer him $50mln for 3 years and decide to let Hayward go regardless the offer he gets from other teams...there were rumors that some teams were interested in giving Hayward a max contract. It's all about speculations...Jazz made the wrong speculations with Gordon and now they have to pay big money for a normal player.

Anyway if you had to choose between Hayward and Parsons at a similar price, who would you take?

I'm very surprised the Rockets gave up to keep him!
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Right, but your post was made TODAY at 3:06 pm. Parsons already signed the offer sheet with Dallas. Utah already matched the offer to Gordon.

And for the record, Hayward >>> Parsons. You don't judge a player's worth on one season, especially when there were several other factors contributing to his struggles. Hayward is much more versatile. He has the ability to take over games (like the OKC one). Yes, consistency is a concern. So is his mindset. I place a lot of trust in Quin. And I think Hayward THRIVES in a less rigid offense, especially when he's not being counted on to be the playmaker every time down the court.
 
Diamond77 said:
I like Hayward game too, don't get me wrong. But the contract he got has nothing to do with his current value. Just imagine if last year he had a breakout season...we would have paid $17-18mln to keep him?
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His contract would likely be the same. We would have matched a max deal. I doubt DL was going to offer a 5-year max with 7.5% raises. Well, I guess if Hayward had put up 25/10/5, then yes. But someone correct me if I'm wrong...even 1 year as an all-star would not have enabled him to get a 5/30% deal. Only an MVP last year would have qualified him at that point. Over 4 years, the most he could have been offered by the Jazz is around $66M. And over 5 years , about $85M.
 
Core4 said:
Right, but your post was made TODAY at 3:06 pm. Parsons already signed the offer sheet with Dallas. Utah already matched the offer to Gordon.

And for the record, Hayward >>> Parsons. You don't judge a player's worth on one season, especially when there were several other factors contributing to his struggles. Hayward is much more versatile. He has the ability to take over games (like the OKC one). Yes, consistency is a concern. So is his mindset. I place a lot of trust in Quin. And I think Hayward THRIVES in a less rigid offense, especially when he's not being counted on to be the playmaker every time down the court.
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I like players that know to make few things on the court but they excel in doing it! Rather than players that can make different things in an average way! Hayward is not getting paid so much for his playmaking abilities. To justify the contract he got now he has to average 19-20 PPG with FG% higher than 45% and 3P% around 40%...
 
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Diamond77 said:
I like players that know to make few things but they excel at doing it....rather than players that can make different things on the court in an average way! Hayward is not getting paid so much for his playmaking abilities. To justify the contract he got now he has to average 19-20 PPG with FG% higher than 45% and 3P% around 40%
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So, in other words, back to his pre-2014 season averages in terms of shooting percentages, with just one more made three pointer per game. I think he can do that.
 
Core4 said:
Right, but your post was made TODAY at 3:06 pm. Parsons already signed the offer sheet with Dallas. Utah already matched the offer to Gordon.
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I meant hypothetically before both received their respective offers.
It is clear that now there was a timing problem.
 
Core4 said:
Right, but your post was made TODAY at 3:06 pm. Parsons already signed the offer sheet with Dallas. Utah already matched the offer to Gordon.

And for the record, Hayward >>> Parsons. You don't judge a player's worth on one season, especially when there were several other factors contributing to his struggles. Hayward is much more versatile. He has the ability to take over games (like the OKC one). Yes, consistency is a concern. So is his mindset. I place a lot of trust in Quin. And I think Hayward THRIVES in a less rigid offense, especially when he's not being counted on to be the playmaker every time down the court.
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Stop being a homer. Hayward being better than Parsons is slim at best. Hayward has had more than one bad season. His shooting has declined every year he has been in the league. Last year's stats were essentially equal except with Parsons having better shooting percentages. Stop using the Hayward played for the Jazz and Parsons played for the Rockets excuse. So you can argue that Parsons has better players or Hayward had more opportunities? Neither is an excuse for their production. In the end they are very similar producing players with slightly different styles. Parsons had a few games were he took over the game too. I believe Parsons even has performed better during the playoffs.

It doesn't matter because both guys are already resigned. Houston was just smart enough not to pay too much for a role player while the Jazz..well you know the story.
 
cowhide said:
Stop being a homer. Hayward being better than Parsons is slim at best. Hayward has had more than one bad season. His shooting has declined every year he has been in the league. Last year's stats were essentially equal. Stop using the Hayward played for the Jazz and Parsons played for the Rockets. So you can argue that Parsons has better players or Hayward had more opportunities. In the end they are very similar producing players with slightly different styles. Parsons had a few games were he has taken over too. I believe Parsons even has performed better during the playoffs.

It doesn't matter because both guys are already resigned. Houston was just smart enough not to pay too much for a role player while the Jazz..well you know the story.
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Me a homer? I was probably the loudest voice in saying DON'T match the offer. And I still stand by that opinion. I don't think either of them are good value for the money. But I'll take Hayward's versatility over Parsons and discount for the fact Hayward labored under the Ty(rant) for 3 years.
 
Core4 said:
But I'll take Hayward's versatility over Parsons and discount for the fact Hayward labored under the Ty(rant) for 3 years
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Bro, last year Corbin gave to Hayward the Jazz keys....big minutes, first offensive option, ball in the hand in clutch time, unconditional confidence....but he has failed!

I have never been a Corbin fan...but it is too simplistic to blame everything on him.
 
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Sorry. At their numbers, I'd rather keep Hayward over Parsons. They bring similar skills to the table, but I think that Hayward is a better overall player and fits the team better.

He may not be as good of a shooter as Parsons, but I'm excited to see how he fits with Quin Snyder running things. I have a feeling that he'll improve a lot in this environment and end up being a highly valued player. He might not live up to a max contract, but the offer was made and has to be dealt with. I'm glad they kept him, and I certainly wouldn't trade him for Parsons strait up. Personal preference. I think his versatility and ability to help his teammate perform well is going to be huge.

I'm a little surprised that Houston decided to pass on Parsons in favor of Ariza. Have a feeling they'll regret that one.
 
Core4 said:
Me a homer? I was probably the loudest voice in saying DON'T match the offer. And I still stand by that opinion. I don't think either of them are good value for the money. But I'll take Hayward's versatility over Parsons and discount for the fact Hayward labored under the Ty(rant) for 3 years.
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What do you mean by Hayward's versatility?
 
Diamond77 said:
Rockets will not match $46mln offer sheet for Parsons!!

https://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nb...tch-dollars46mln-offer-sheet-for-parsons.html

We could take him in place of matching Hayward at the same price!!

Mavericks to sign Richard Jefferson to a one-year deal too.
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The Rockets win the award for being the biggest dumbasses this year. They had Parsons under contract for less than $2 million. They should have just kept him at his tendered amount and then tried to get the best player that they could to match up with Howard, Harden, Parsons and Beverley. They swung for the fences and struck out. Then, because they misjudged the RFA market, they have to downgrade from Parsons to Ariza. They save $7 million per year, but it's a huge, unnecessary step downward that didn't have to be made.
 
Brian Roberts got 5.5 mil over 2 years from the Hornets.

Luol Deng 2 years 20 mil to Miami.

The Birdman returns to Miami.

Kirk Hirich and Mirotic to the Bulls, most likely means D.J. Augustin will not return to the bulls, id take a flier on him as a backup(and cut Lucas) I suggusted going after Augustin before his renaissance in Chicago.
 
Just read that Terrence Jones is in Vegas with the Rockets, but is in street clothes. Does anyone know if they were planning to play him? I wonder if he was held out because he is going to part of a trade.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Brian Roberts got 5.5 mil over 2 years from the Hornets.

Luol Deng 2 years 20 mil to Miami.

The Birdman returns to Miami.

Kirk Hirich and Mirotic to the Bulls, most likely means D.J. Augustin will not return to the bulls, id take a flier on him as a backup(and cut Lucas) I suggusted going after Augustin before his renaissance in Chicago.
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What about teh jimmer?

Have you heard anything about him?
 
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