I think he holds the ball too long and is too cautious. He needs to put his head down and drive more. It will result in mistakes, but it will also help is game grow.
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I think he holds the ball too long and is too cautious. He needs to put his head down and drive more. It will result in mistakes, but it will also help is game grow.
The Fresh Prince
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After 1 year, I am still in support on Burke. I think he can be a solid player in this league as well as for the Jazz. I also think his mentality and the toughness he's shown will be an asset for this team. He has that intangible that I don't see Hayward having.
How many years of basketball have you coached? Just wondering, not trolling.
da ThRONe
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[video=youtube_share;m6TlxiJYK3k]https://youtu.be/m6TlxiJYK3k
I just don't get what people are talking about when they say Trey's to slow or can't get into the paint?
He's plays the game at a great pace which allows him to make high IQ reads. He makes the defense commit before making the pass or taking the shot. It's what PG's that are seasoned veterans do. That pace puts serious pressure on the defense. So long as Trey is connecting on that mid range jumpers the bigs have to make a split decision on PNR whether to sag down to defend the roll man or step out to defend Trey.
Trey isn't Russell at attacking the basket, but that isn't necessary and again neither is CP3. Go watch videos of Chris Paul and after you watch his superior handles(which he has improved apon year after year his handle was more on par with Burke's year 1 and 2), but he isn't explosive to the rim and he puts that same pressure on the defense with pace and great decision making.
I just don't get what people are talking about when they say Trey's to slow or can't get into the paint?
He's plays the game at a great pace which allows him to make high IQ reads. He makes the defense commit before making the pass or taking the shot. It's what PG's that are seasoned veterans do. That pace puts serious pressure on the defense. So long as Trey is connecting on that mid range jumpers the bigs have to make a split decision on PNR whether to sag down to defend the roll man or step out to defend Trey.
Trey isn't Russell at attacking the basket, but that isn't necessary and again neither is CP3. Go watch videos of Chris Paul and after you watch his superior handles(which he has improved apon year after year his handle was more on par with Burke's year 1 and 2), but he isn't explosive to the rim and he puts that same pressure on the defense with pace and great decision making.
Game6Conley
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Jeez... Jazzfanz are still comparing Trey to CP3...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDjzvJYWtoc&feature=kp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDjzvJYWtoc&feature=kp
There are studies out there that link early TO's in a young players career to success. Players who don't take the risk and just play it safe (what Burke does a lot of the time) don't grow.
da ThRONe
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So playing under a coach with a terrible offensive scheme, on a team with limited shooters, with inexperienced players, and used improperly was the best case scenario?
That's interesting. Can you link me to some of these studies?
Damn, Burke averaged 5.7 APG his rookie year by playing it safe. Would love to see how much he would average if he took "risks".
Google'd to try to find written articles, but here is a podcast Locke did with Kevin Pelton 2 years back.
https://weareutahjazz.com/lockedonj...pelton-are-turnovers-as-a-rookie-a-good-sign/
Stifle Tower
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Agree
I love it when people say Trey is "clutch." Based off one game-winning shot? Sundiata Gaines was clutch, too. He went on to be a solid NBA starting PG. Oh wait...
Trey is short and slow. He can't penetrate. He's not a good defender. And he's a horrible shooter. Wait, but he finished SECOND in ROY voting. Yep. In what may have been one of the weakest drafts ever. Wish Jazz had taken Giannis, but I can't take credit for being on that bandwagon. At least Utah got the sleeper of the draft in Gobert.
da ThRONe
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I keep reading people say he can't penetrate, but see video after video of him doing just that.
Coach Ellis
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I like Trey Burke a lot. I think he's a solid player who wants to work hard, lead his team and WIN. He's athletic enough to play, but not to really stand out. All in all, a good but not great player.
I think that Dante Exum's future is at PG, and that he will be great. All Star level type talent, possibly more. He's the type of player that you build around. If the Jazz play Hayward at the 3 most of the time, then the question becomes " which lineup has the most potential - Burks and Exum or Exum and Burke?" For me, I think Burks and Exum will be a damn fine back-court.
Because of that, I'm hoping that by the All-Star break, Exum is the starting PG and Trey Burke is killing backups as the leader of the second team. I think that he can potentially be very good running that. I'm in favor if keeping both for a good while.
I think that Dante Exum's future is at PG, and that he will be great. All Star level type talent, possibly more. He's the type of player that you build around. If the Jazz play Hayward at the 3 most of the time, then the question becomes " which lineup has the most potential - Burks and Exum or Exum and Burke?" For me, I think Burks and Exum will be a damn fine back-court.
Because of that, I'm hoping that by the All-Star break, Exum is the starting PG and Trey Burke is killing backups as the leader of the second team. I think that he can potentially be very good running that. I'm in favor if keeping both for a good while.
Stifle Tower
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OK, maybe I should amend that to say he can't penetrate and finish. When he does drive, there is a very minute chance of getting to the basket. And he just doesn't draw contact...ever. What good does it do to be 90% on your FT's if you only shoot 1.5 per game (and some of those would be illegal "D" FT's). Video HIGHLIGHTS will show everything. Heck, just because I dunked ONCE and every highlight video has that play on it, doesn't make me a high-flyer. Highlight videos will show a couple of blocks Trey made, but that doesn't mean he's Dikembe Mutombo.
Burke shot the ball 897 times last season. His shooting percentage was 38%/33%. That is not good. That is not "CLUTCH." That is HORRIBLE. Sure, he likely had a few decent games. But for the ONE game he managed to hit a game winner, there were MANY more when his abysmal shooting contributed to the game being far out of reach by the 4th quarter.
At least two-thirds of teams have better starting PG's than Trey. And a bunch have two or even three better PG's on their rosters. I have little hope for Ice Cold Trey outside of being a deal sweetener. It was a wasted pick. Lottery picks HAVE to bring starting-quality/6th men type players. Trey could be a decent backup, nothing more. And for a #9 pick, especially for a franchise that can't get even second-tier FA's to sign with them, a whiff on a top-10 pick is costly. Fortunately, Lindsey hit a HR with Gobert. Rudy is going to be a helluva back up, maybe even a starter some day.
da ThRONe
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[video=youtube_share;4WdUn7i5oa8]https://youtu.be/4WdUn7i5oa8
I need people to watch some of these highlights of Chris Paul and show me where he's just getting to the paint on iso's. He's using the PNR and he's putting pressure on the defense with his pace and decision making. It's his skills coupled with his BBIQ that that makes him the best @ his position. Not godly like quickness and explosiveness.
I need people to watch some of these highlights of Chris Paul and show me where he's just getting to the paint on iso's. He's using the PNR and he's putting pressure on the defense with his pace and decision making. It's his skills coupled with his BBIQ that that makes him the best @ his position. Not godly like quickness and explosiveness.
da ThRONe
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[video=youtube_share;-Vz8nB_S7Fg]https://youtu.be/-Vz8nB_S7Fg
In contrast look at Jeff Teague. This is a guy with great quickness and explosiveness. Notice he kills in iso's and the seperation he creates as opposed to Chris Paul. Yet who would you rather have as your PG Paul or Teague?
In contrast look at Jeff Teague. This is a guy with great quickness and explosiveness. Notice he kills in iso's and the seperation he creates as opposed to Chris Paul. Yet who would you rather have as your PG Paul or Teague?
Game6Conley
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He got into the paint on Iso's with the Hornets, In LA hes just needed to be a floor general, Blake gets the lion's share of shots. Jamal Crawford is there for Iso's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqtprNCcGNU
Chris Paul is going to make the Hall of Fame. you are crazy. Kobe stole his MVP in 07-08.
Trey Burke blocking a 5'11 guard is not as impressive as Chris Paul dunking on a young Dwight Howard, sorry.
Stifle Tower
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I'd rather have either instead of Burke.