The Trey Burke Thread

[Stifle Tower]

No they dont

They have Dante Exum at PG, and Alec Burks at SG

Burke is redundant and will be easy to trade on his rookie contract

Unfortunately, not going to get #9 value out of the deal. IMO, better off starting Trey and hope he has decent stats (40% FG's). Then wait for another team to have a PG get hurt. Perhaps we can get a pick with limited protection or one in the late first from a playoff team. We'd then have a couple of 2015 firsts to try to trade up.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Unfortunately, not going to get #9 value out of the deal. IMO, better off starting Trey and hope he has decent stats (40% FG's). Then wait for another team to have a PG get hurt. Perhaps we can get a pick with limited protection or one in the late first from a playoff team. We'd then have a couple of 2015 firsts to try to trade up.

Well, if a #20 pick may get us better talent in a stronger draft. Last years draft was pretty bad.

 

[Yell42]

Unfortunately, not going to get #9 value out of the deal. IMO, better off starting Trey and hope he has decent stats (40% FG's). Then wait for another team to have a PG get hurt. Perhaps we can get a pick with limited protection or one in the late first from a playoff team. We'd then have a couple of 2015 firsts to try to trade up.

+9 means nothing when it comes from a horrible draft

hes average at best

 

[Coach Ellis]

+9 means nothing when it comes from a horrible draft

hes average at best

He'd most likely have more value as an add in to a bigger deal. I wouldn't want to try and trade him for a pick strait up, but I could see him being a package piece. More value there. . . especially on a rookie deal.

 

[jiggamanjazz]

Our starting 5 needs to be exum, burks, Hayward, favors, kanter... Burke is a back-up, but burke won't accept that I think. I def think we will have problems down the road because burks wants to start. He has said so in the past and imo he deserves it. My prediction is if we play him off the bench again this year we can kiss him goodbye. He won't want to re-sign.

 

[da ThRONe]

Your point sucks, its not even a reach, its a flat out ****ty comparison that only a homer would make. Delusions of grandeur.

Chris Paul was the #1 offensive option(16.1 attempts per game) on the Hornets while leading the league in assists and steals in his 3rd season while shooting 49% from the field and 37% from 3.

None of what you typed has anything to do with my point. Paul is great I know this as I'm a New Orleans fan and have watched his career. The point is Chris Paul is not an iso break guys down off the dribble to create at the rim kind of player. You try to refute that by showing a highlight video of Paul and in every half court play Paul used some form of screen play.

 

[Game6Conley]

None of what you typed has anything to do with my point. Paul is great I know this as I'm a New Orleans fan and have watched his career. The point is Chris Paul is not an iso break guys down off the dribble to create at the rim kind of player. You try to refute that by showing a highlight video of Paul and in every half court play Paul used some form of screen play.

You're wrong. Chris Paul can get to the rack without a screen, you discount what he does in transition, but Trey doesnt got it like that. why would you limit CP3 by having him play Allen Iverson iso ball when he's the best decision maker at PG in the P+R since Stockton.

Trey Burke's shot selection, BBIQ and intangibles are not even close to Chris Paul's, He's a HoF'er to-be, Trey Burke just had a very average Rookie year. A terrible comparison that would only to be made by a hometown fan.

 

[da ThRONe]

CP3 struggled a bit on his 3's his rookie year, but still managed to shoot 43% overall (compared to 38% for Trey).

Last season there were 28 "qualifying" PG's who shot better than Trey (qualifying means more than 300 makes). Add in the players who were injured, were backups or just didn't shoot as much (e.g. Bledsoe, Livingston, Lin, Jack, Hill, etc.) and you can drop Burke another 10+ spots. Burke does not do enough other things well to be a PG in the 40% or under range in FG%.

Burke lead the team in APG and pulled down 3 RPG saying he doesn't do anything else is completely unfair by that standard. Again he injured his shooting hand. This can't just easily be overlooked because you don't like his game.

Court vision, passing, "intelligence" - try to put lipstick on the pig as much as you want. Unless Trey improves his shooting, he has no place in the starting lineup. If he can't shoot, opposing PG's can just play 5 feet off and make passing inside very difficult. And face it, he's certainly not a "lockdown defender" so he gives Utah no advantage on the other side of the ball.

I do agree 100% here. Trey is not the type of athlete to be a big time player while shooting the ball poorly. However again to draw the conclusion Burke is a poor jump shooter you'd have to ignore the fact that he shot the ball with a injured index finger on his shooting hand which you guys seem more than happen to just gloss over for your own argument.

If he's remains healthy this season and shoots poorly then you have a case. But why wait though right when you can draw major conclusions on tampered and/or limited data because it supports how you want to feel about a player.

 

[da ThRONe]

One of the reasons I liked him out of college is he got quite a bit better from freshman to sophomore year. I think the kid is a worker and will get better. Second year will likely tell us what he is. We can plan from there.

This is what I don't understand. Given last year's injury it seems like almost anybody would get some sort of pass for shooting the ball poorly.

 

[Game6Conley]

This is what I don't understand. Given last year's injury it seems like almost anybody would get some sort of pass for shooting the ball poorly.

His shot selection sucks, did his broken finger affect that?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Burke's go-to shot is the least efficient shot in the game (mid-range pull up) and he doesn't get to the FT line. This is why people don't like Burke.

He isn't bad, but he is a completely uninspiring player. I don't see a lot of room for significant growth in his game unless he miraculously learns how to draw contact.

 

[da ThRONe]

His shot selection sucks, did his broken hand affect that?

1st it was his rookie year. Shot selection is easy to fix with even the most basics film study. This isn't getting into coaching and system. Unless you think Snyder can't coach or Burke's uncoachable?

Next Corbin system sucked. It put Trey in bad situations.

So are you saying that the injury to his hand had no impact on his shot? Also logically it may have played a role in his shot selection as he may have avoided driving to prevent contact on that finger. Again there are a ton of reason why the injury held Burke back. That's why the logically thing to do is to wait and see how this season plays out before giving Burke too much benefit or deem him a bust.

 

[da ThRONe]

Burke's go-to shot is the least efficient shot in the game (mid-range pull up) and he doesn't get to the FT line. This is why people don't like Burke.

He isn't bad, but he is a completely uninspiring player. I don't see a lot of room for significant growth in his game unless he miraculously learns how to draw contact.

You don't think the finger injury could have played a role in Burke avoiding contact and settling for jumpers?

Trey is going to have to make his living shooting 10-12 ft mid range. That's a makeable shot with consistency. We'll see if he can like the aforementioned Chris Paul. Because those are the same exact shots CP3 has to live and die on and he's doing just fine. Burke shot well from that distance in college so there's tangible reason to believe it's something he can have success with. Big jump from college to pros, but we all have to wait and see.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

So far (and I know it's only been one SL game), Exum looks like a better passer, better penetrator, better defender, and better playmaker overall. Defenders back off of him due to his speed, so the space he gets combined with his height and length enables him to make passes that Burke can't get angles on.

I'd start Exum/Hayward/Hood/Favors/Gobert. I'd bring Burke, Burks, Evans and Kanter off the bench with a shooter and let them wreck ****.

 

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You don't think the finger injury could have played a role in Burke avoiding contact and settling for jumpers?

Trey is going to have to make his living shooting 10-12 ft mid range. That's a makeable shot with consistency. We'll see if he can like the aforementioned Chris Paul. Because those are the same exact shots CP3 has to live and die on and he's doing just fine. Burke shot well from that distance in college so there's tangible reason to believe it's something he can have success with. Big jump from college to pros, but we all have to wait and see.

... retreating to the land of excuses.

 

[Stifle Tower]

C'mon, guys, A broken finger takes 6-8 weeks to heal. He hurt it before the season started. So by the start of 2014 the injury should have been over and done with (unless he has the healing time of Carlos Boozer). But he continued to shoot poorly. He continued to be slow as molasses. Ok, let's see if summer league game 1 was due to rookie, I mean sophomore jitters. Oh, I forgot, we can completely disregard this upcoming season because a sophomore slump is a well-known phenomenon. Perhaps by 2016 we'll know if he can shoot or not.

Trey is going to have to make his living shooting 10-12 ft mid range. That's a makeable shot with consistency. We'll see if he can like the aforementioned Chris Paul. Because those are the same exact shots CP3 has to live and die on and he's doing just fine. Burke shot well from that distance in college so there's tangible reason to believe it's something he can have success with. Big jump from college to pros, but we all have to wait and see.

I went to college but I wasn't a math or sports major. Is there a difference in distance between a college 10 ft shot and a pro 10-ft shot? Is the basketball bigger or the rim a bit higher? Now I do understand the pro 3 is longer than the college one and that's why some players have good college 3-PT %'s that don't then translate to the NBA.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If a finger injury makes someone avoid contact, especially months after the fact, then they are a super mega weenie and will never learn how draw contact anyway.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Look Trey's pretty vanilla, but he has two things he does really well. He doesn't turn the ball over and he's extremely clutch. If he raises his fg and 3 pt percentages a bit, he's middle/low end starter. Exum has infinitely more potential but having Burke there as a steadying presence will be helpful. He's been awesome about it and said all the right things. Give Exum a good ease in year and see what you have. Use Burke as a trade piece to help shape the team in other areas. If a good offer comes in in the meantime then take it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If a finger injury makes someone avoid contact, especially months after the fact, then they are a super mega weenie and will never learn how draw contact anyway.

Hand injuries suck in basketball. You get hit on it multiple times a game... That said I don't remember seeing him mention it bothering him later in the season.

I doubt it affected his shot or his willingness to drive. It may have slowed him down a bit because he couldn't fully participate in pre season activities.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Look Trey's pretty vanilla, but he has two things he does really well. He doesn't turn the ball over and he's extremely clutch. If he raises his fg and 3 pt percentages a bit, he's middle/low end starter. Exum has infinitely more potential but having Burke there as a steadying presence will be helpful. He's been awesome about it and said all the right things. Give Exum a good ease in year and see what you have. Use Burke as a trade piece to help shape the team in other areas. If a good offer comes in in the meantime then take it.

Outside of the Orlando game winner, please elaborate why he's "extremely clutch."