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I am fully on board with Exum starting at PG

Should he start?

  • Yes he should start at PG

    Votes: 19 24.7%

  • No he should not start and come off the bench

    Votes: 49 63.6%

  • He should start at SG

    Votes: 9 11.7%
  • Total voters
    77
And yes Fabtrey... Burke shooting 12 times as a rookie is a problem. If he's shooting that much as a rookie... God only knows how much he will shoot as a sophomore in the nba.

Fab, the future isn't about Burke it's Exum! Deal with it or leave! Hell! You aren't even a jazz fan. Orangello has been right all a long. Burke is just not a starter, at least not a starter on a championship contender, but Exum has that potential to be just that.


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green said:
One of the many reasons you bring Exum off the bench: confidence.

You don't want to ruin his confidence. Let him come off the bench, in limited minutes to start the year 10-15 mins a game. Once his conditioning comes around, his confidence will grow. Once he dominates the second unit, SLOWLY increase his minutes and time against starters.

The one thing you don't want to lose with Exum is his confidence. He is so quick, and such a good passer, he could dominate on speed alone, offensively and defensively.

Don't put him in a situation to get beat early. Play him sparingly and only against matchups he will clearly dominate.
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Star him playing 15 min or come off the bench for 15? I'd rather start him for 15 min and groom him to be a superstar. This way he earns minutes being a starter rather then earn minutes being a backup, and possibly never being a starter in year one. This way we give him a boost of confidence while not putting too much pressure on him. Making him a starter sometime down the line means he starts off as a starter with more minutes vs the best the nba has to offer, adding more pressure, then as a more seasoned player there's more pressure to play well if he falters then he loses confidence.


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Thee jazz fan said:
I may get flamed for this, but why not start Burke at pg with Exum at sg playing backup mins say 15 giving Burks over 30 minutes as the sixth man, if half way through the season, and Exum is out playing Burke in a two pg system, then give Exum more mins and reduce Burke's minutes.

If Exum doesn't look like he is ready for big minutes keep him in that rotation or move Burke into the starting lineup.

I think this would be a great situation for Exum. Give him the confidence of being the starter, while basically being a backup. Plus earning more minutes can be a motivator for him to play well, and not putting too much pressure on him. Burks continues to be sixth man, but playing over 30 minutes basically makes him the starter minutes is, and finishes games.


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Flame on!
 
I would like to see how Exum plays during the preseason with the other guys. He's definitely going to be exciting to watch.

I don't think he should be starting right now because he has a lot to learn (as any rookie does) and we have a PG. But I suspect as Exum gets more comfortable and starts making plays the talk will begin again. It all depends on how Burke plays. If Burke sucks it could happen. If Burke has improved I think Snyder will have Exum at SG or play some back-up PG.

I think we need to see how Burke plays with the other guys also (to see if he's improved or not).
 
Maybe Exum could show he can play 10 minutes straight without hyperventilating before we crown him a starter. Let's face it, he hits his rookie wall before the first half is over. He will be great someday, but that day isn't today. Burke needs to start. He was given the job early, but he certainly earned it over the players available at the point. At the point where Exum consistently outplays Burke, then this conversation can be had.
Also, besides the conditioning aspect, Burke played MUCH better defense than Exum in Summer League. If people are going to get all giddy about "defensive effort get played," you cant hand Exum a big "get out of playing defense free" card right off the bat.
Finally, people demanding that others "leave" because they aren't showing the proper level of hate to our players can go screw themselves.
 
I disagree, framer. I've been one of Exum's biggest critics, but I thought he was fine defensively. Burke was fine defensively as well. Let's face it, we all know Burke will start, but if we have to decide between two guys who both struggle mightily shooting the ball, who are pretty even defensively, who are both pretty good passers/playmakers, give me the 6'6" guy over the 6'1" guy.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I disagree, framer. I've been one of Exum's biggest critics, but I thought he was fine defensively. Burke was fine defensively as well. Let's face it, we all know Burke will start, but if we have to decide between two guys who both struggle mightily shooting the ball, who are pretty even defensively, who are both pretty good passers/playmakers, give me the 6'6" guy over the 6'1" guy.
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Depends on the team we're playing. I'm sure glad we have this much versatility though.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I disagree, framer. I've been one of Exum's biggest critics, but I thought he was fine defensively. Burke was fine defensively as well. Let's face it, we all know Burke will start, but if we have to decide between two guys who both struggle mightily shooting the ball, who are pretty even defensively, who are both pretty good passers/playmakers, give me the 6'6" guy over the 6'1" guy.
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Our job this year is to teach Exum NBA ball. With his conditioning and experience issues, he will learn much more competing with NBA second string than starting every night. Start him out at 15 minutes a game until he can do that without gasping for air, then move him to 20. Especially look for matchups he can win and put him in those positions, even if it entails him playing the 2. Also, he is going to have to work on his left. Better he do that against less opportunistic defenders. The other major upside is that we have a much improved bench so playing him there isn't like consigning him to solitary confinement like it was for Burks last year.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I disagree, framer. I've been one of Exum's biggest critics, but I thought he was fine defensively. Burke was fine defensively as well. Let's face it, we all know Burke will start, but if we have to decide between two guys who both struggle mightily shooting the ball, who are pretty even defensively, who are both pretty good passers/playmakers, give me the 6'6" guy over the 6'1" guy.
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Trey is a damn good shooter. This is a guy who shot 90% from the FT line on his rookie year ffs. The fact that he had 38% FG last year won't make him a bad shooter. In fact 38% is above average for rookie guards in the NBA. Don't also forget Trey is not a guy who will the dribble the time off at the end of quarters to protect his FG%, he will just shoot it! Hence the little drop in FG%.
 
jjscap said:
Trey is a damn good shooter. This is a guy who shot 90% from the FT line on his rookie year ffs. The fact that he had 38% FG last year won't make him a bad shooter. In fact 38% is above average for rookie guards in the NBA. Don't also forget Trey is not a guy who will the dribble the time off at the end of quarters to protect his FG%, he will just shoot it! Hence the little drop in FG%.
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38% is awful. 33% threes isn't good. Factor in that he can't get to the FT line if his life depended on it and we have a problem.

But I'm interested in this 38% FGs being above average for rookie guards in the NBA. Link?
 
green said:
One of the many reasons you bring Exum off the bench: confidence.

You don't want to ruin his confidence. Let him come off the bench, in limited minutes to start the year 10-15 mins a game. Once his conditioning comes around, his confidence will grow. Once he dominates the second unit, SLOWLY increase his minutes and time against starters.

The one thing you don't want to lose with Exum is his confidence. He is so quick, and such a good passer, he could dominate on speed alone, offensively and defensively.

Don't put him in a situation to get beat early. Play him sparingly and only against matchups he will clearly dominate.
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Dante says he is learning at 100 milesperhour,and his passing would really make Favors and Kanter happy and help the team score easier buckets.
 
Qman said:
It would be one thing if his shooting percentages got better as the year went on but he was consistently a bad shooter.

https://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/2579260/trey-burke
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Yep.

Summer league 2013 - bad, regular season 13-14 - bad (and didn't get better as you mention), summer league 2014 - bad. It seems there is a pattern here whether he's playing against legit NBA players or scrubs.

It seemed like he was a better shooter when he had the hand thing at the beginning of the year.
 
framer said:
With his conditioning issues


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I would hope that his conditioning will be good before the regular season even begins.

He will play for his national team, have training camp with the jazz and then pre-season bball.
If his conditioning is still horrible then we have a huge problem.
By that point he will have played more bball than alec burks has this summer (by alot) so if burks conditioning is ready to go by game one then exum should be as well
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Yep.

Summer league 2013 - bad, regular season 13-14 - bad (and didn't get better as you mention), summer league 2014 - bad. It seems there is a pattern here whether he's playing against legit NBA players or scrubs.

It seemed like he was a better shooter when he had the hand thing at the beginning of the year.
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So much Burke hate and it's not even coming from me.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
You know, I actually like Burke, but I just don't see him as a long term starter.
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Thus might surprise everyone but I like what Burke showed last year. His clutch shooting was insane. What I didn't like was the other 28+ minutes he was in the floor and he was a liability.

I would have preferred to see the Jazz shoot for potential last draft rather go with a safe pick aka Burke.

Hind sight is 20/20 but the three players I really liked last year (that likely would have been available at their picks) were Schroder, Giannis and Gobert.

Giannis is going to be a force in this league soon if it isn't this year. Dennis is showing a lot of promise during SL and we all know what Gobert is doing. Could you imagine if the Jazz had Giannis, Rudy and Exum on the same team? Talk about long and fun to watch.
 
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