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The site is definitely concerned about the potential of legal punishment if we promote or allow others to promote illegal streams. It would very likely only take a single lawsuit against the site to make us close up business--it's not like we're a company with large financial resources. So, while it's probably a very low probability event, it's a risk/reward type of thing for us and we've had a policy against illegal streams for a long time now.

As for my personal viewpoint about copyrighted material I take the stance that if it's available for purchase, then the ethical thing to do it purchase it. If something is not available for purchase, however, then I'm much more agnostic.

Do you think the marketing and pricing system actors have their own share of responsibility for this alongside the exploiters of the copyrighted product? Can we question the income average, employement problems etc. for piracy as well? Or are those only excuses to justify these actions or decrease the guilt level of them?


To me, the piracy is just unstoppable. And I think thought, art and those kinds of things do need to be freeware. Because society is not build on acquiring everything to everyone and these things are like water, the most essential need, which is also a meta. There should be some other way to stop the exploitation rather than sueing sites that literally has no part in anything. They don't have to be on pirate's side to search for a new solution, approach to this. Pragmatically speaking from their side, they could find another way to add the pirate side to the profit system and protect the copyright owner out of exploitation's harm's way. There already is the great benefit of keeping the popularity up of the product's main area and the product itself, but I'm not getting there since I'm thinking in the shoes of the prosecutor. I find this necessary, because I don't know about your environment, but some products led by video games, sports broadcasts and certain book series are really pain in the wallet or simply impossible for some income groups here in Turkey. So I find the piracy a little balancing for the extreme difference of different socio-economical layers.
 
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Considering they just beat Finland 100-95, this is a great prediction.

They did step up their defensive intensity on the perimeter and made some big 3's. It was a nice comeback for them.

From what I saw though, 0 NBA talent on the team compared to Australia who has rotation NBA players and former/current fringe NBA players.
 
Do you think the marketing and pricing system actors have their own share of responsibility for this alongside the exploiters of the copyrighted product? Can we question the income average, employement problems etc. for piracy as well? Or are those only excuses to justify these actions or decrease the guilt level of them?


To me, the piracy is just unstoppable. And I think thought, art and those kinds of things do need to be freeware. Because society is not build on acquiring everything to everyone and these things are like water, the most essential need, which is also a meta. There should be some other way to stop the exploitation rather than sueing sites that literally has no part in anything. They don't have to be on pirate's side to search for a new solution, approach to this. Pragmatically speaking from their side, they could find another way to add the pirate side to the profit system and protect the copyright owner out of exploitation's harm's way. There already is the great benefit of keeping the popularity up of the product's main area and the product itself, but I'm not getting there since I'm thinking in the shoes of the prosecutor. I find this necessary, because I don't know about your environment, but some products led by video games, sports broadcasts and certain book series are really pain in the wallet or simply impossible for some income groups here in Turkey. So I find the piracy a little balancing for the extreme difference of different socio-economical layers.

The price is a part of it.

For example, NBA League Pass is stupidly overpriced. You get sub-par quality and blacked-out games and you have to pay out the *** for all 30 teams. Even buying the 5 team package is stupid expensive when I'm going to get all games vs. the Pelicans, Grizzlies, Hawks, and nationally televised games blacked out. No way in hell I'm paying that $$$ amount because it just isn't reasonable.

For a while I just streamed games, but I got tired of the unreliable quality and availability. I found a site called Ballstreams, which is quasi-legal (if the site was based in America, it would be shutdown/sued/over). They operate in a foreign country and provide an entire year of service for $60. No blackouts or anything and better quality streams than NBA LP.

If LP could offer a similar service (no blackouts, better quality) for $100, I would probably go with LP even though it would cost $40 more. LP is a piece of **** though and I'm never buying it again doe.
 
The price is a part of it.

For example, NBA League Pass is stupidly overpriced. You get sub-par quality and blacked-out games and you have to pay out the *** for all 30 teams. Even buying the 5 team package is stupid expensive when I'm going to get all games vs. the Pelicans, Grizzlies, Hawks, and nationally televised games blacked out. No way in hell I'm paying that $$$ amount because it just isn't reasonable.

For a while I just streamed games, but I got tired of the unreliable quality and availability. I found a site called Ballstreams, which is quasi-legal (if the site was based in America, it would be shutdown/sued/over). They operate in a foreign country and provide an entire year of service for $60. No blackouts or anything and better quality streams than NBA LP.

If LP could offer a similar service (no blackouts, better quality) for $100, I would probably go with LP even though it would cost $40 more. LP is a piece of **** though and I'm never buying it again doe.


I'm leaning towards there too. I mean the sites alike Ballstreams. Last few years, I kept telling myself I won't purchase LP but I have found myself being done that again and again. I guess this is another way of pushing the product owner to better quality, a quality level that is totally earned by the purchaser. So this looks like the route to go both rationally, pragmatically and morally. ECTYA offered me one before. I'm gonna check this thing out before the next one.
 
I'm leaning towards there too. I mean the sites alike Ballstreams. Last few years, I kept telling myself I won't purchase LP but I have found myself being done that again and again. I guess this is another way of pushing the product owner to better quality, a quality level that is totally earned by the purchaser. So this looks like the route to go both rationally, pragmatically and morally. ECTYA offered me one before. I'm gonna check this thing out before the next one.

same here. LP is so overpriced but i did not know any other site. i will def try ballstreams.com this time



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France vs Croatia is on. Tomic starts for Croatia, Gobert is on the bench for France... First pts for Croatia - awesome behind the back pass by Tomic and finish after he got the ball back.
 
What was Exum's final stat line (including turnovers)?

This is MY statline, thus take it with a ton of salt, cause it's not official: 6 assists, 2 pts(1/5 shooting, 0/2 from 3), 3 steals, 2 rebounds, 0 or 1 turnovers(not sure about this one). He was about to turn it over twice but it ended up in Australia's possession...
 
Gobert's FT stroke looks nice - scored twice on his first trip to the line.
Updates:
Tomic with nice post move and basket against Gobert...
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Tomic banks a shot from the FT line :D
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Tomic with a nice outlet pass for an easy basket.
(non-Jazz related - Saric looks good)
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Second half starting... Gobert with a steal vs Tomic.
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Steal by Tomic and outlet pass for easy dunk by Saric
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(Saric looks really good - blocked a dunk attempt by Gobert, then converted and-1 on the other side of the floor)
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Gobert misses easy layup, steals the ball on the other side of the floor.
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Gobert looks really limited offensively. (their coach is screaming at him non-stop at timeouts).
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Gobert with nice pick and roll and finish with a lay-up
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Gobert with a slam... he's fouled. Chance for 3pt play... Converts..
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(non-Jazz related - Bojan Bogdanovic signed by the Nets does not look good at all...
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Gobert with nice assist under the rim... Gobert with a block on the other side of the floor... and one more block in the next possession.

Here's the boxscore for the game: https://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/3886/12/39/86/53nuj7pQxHPsU/
 
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The Jazz are going to play him 20 minutes a night at the very least. Not like we are trying to win anything. What good would it do to let him rot on the bench in a year clearly set up for development?

What's more important this year? Fixing his shot, keeping him healthy, getting him stronger...OR...playing him an extra 5 mins, have him put in situations where he reverts to bad shooting habits and maybe, maybe winning 1-5 more games?

Lindsay said fans need to readjust their expectations. He didn't say that because Utah is going to showcase Exum this year.

If you can't fix his shot, you just drafted a Rubio player...if you are lucky. The good news is, Snyder has helped Korver get more dynamic offensively, helped Millsap become an All-Star, help DeMare get better. He can help Exum.
 
p.s. Playing Exum 15 mins is developing him. It is also seeing what you have in Burke, Burks, and Hayward and how they will all fit together.
 
same here. LP is so overpriced but i did not know any other site. i will def try ballstreams.com this time



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I think LP is a great value. $189 bucks for 82 games is a pretty fair deal. If you go broadband only it is even cheaper!
 
I'm leaning towards there too. I mean the sites alike Ballstreams. Last few years, I kept telling myself I won't purchase LP but I have found myself being done that again and again. I guess this is another way of pushing the product owner to better quality, a quality level that is totally earned by the purchaser. So this looks like the route to go both rationally, pragmatically and morally. ECTYA offered me one before. I'm gonna check this thing out before the next one.

That's the same site actually. I'm too thinking about it and reading good things about it but I'm just too scared to lose my money :D I just need some guinea pigs to try it before me. Ahem, I meant some trailblazers.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?19275-A-Possible-Alternative-to-the-NBA-League-Pass
 
I only saw the last 8 minutes or so of the game, so Gobert looked fantastic. Went back through the game log and box score, and France was pretty awful when Gobert was on the court through 3 quarters. In the 4th, however:

7:54
2-2 field goals
1-1 free throws
5 points
4 rebounds (all defensive)
2 assists
1 block
+17 (I'm not including the free throw made after he checked in, as the foul was committed when he was on the bench)

Croatia was trying to free Tomic on pick and rolls, but Gobert played near perfect defense.
 
I only saw the last 8 minutes or so of the game, so Gobert looked fantastic. Went back through the game log and box score, and France was pretty awful when Gobert was on the court through 3 quarters. In the 4th, however:

7:54
2-2 field goals
1-1 free throws
5 points
4 rebounds (all defensive)
2 assists
1 block
+17 (I'm not including the free throw made after he checked in, as the foul was committed when he was on the bench)

Croatia was trying to free Tomic on pick and rolls, but Gobert played near perfect defense.

Seriously, Gobert has been the highlight of the offseason for the jazz imo.

About a week ago i was actually looking for a Gobert Jersey to buy from fanzz. (dont have any :()
 
I only saw the last 8 minutes or so of the game, so Gobert looked fantastic. Went back through the game log and box score, and France was pretty awful when Gobert was on the court through 3 quarters. In the 4th, however:

7:54
2-2 field goals
1-1 free throws
5 points
4 rebounds (all defensive)
2 assists
1 block
+17 (I'm not including the free throw made after he checked in, as the foul was committed when he was on the bench)

Croatia was trying to free Tomic on pick and rolls, but Gobert played near perfect defense.

Seriously, Gobert has been the highlight of the offseason for the jazz imo.

About a week ago i was actually looking for a Gobert Jersey to buy from fanzz. (dont have any :()

He seems to play amazing in spurts. The 7 minutes GVC has watched were awesome indeed. He was scoring, passing, defending... but there were also moments when he looked very limited in offense and he gave up probably 3 and-1s prior to that period. Tomic was putting some nice moves against him, too. But he seems to have made some serious improvements to last year indeed. He even started scoring his FTs consistently as well. If he keeps the good work I expect him to really push our other bigs for playing minutes this season.
 
He seems to play amazing in spurts. The 7 minutes GVC has watched were awesome indeed. He was scoring, passing, defending... but there were also moments when he looked very limited in offense and he gave up probably 3 and-1s prior to that period.

Thing I noticed from the box score is that Croatia's backup center played as good a game as anyone on the floor (scored 20). Was any of that due to Gobert? Who was guarding Tomic more throughout the game -- Mahinmi or Gobert? Tomic had a pretty forgettable game (box score wise).
 
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