QuinSnydersHair
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I can't wait for this thread to die.
Police Power and Racial Tensions in Ferguson, Missouri
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I totally agree with all of this. I was stating my opinion on other's opinions, and hopefully injecting some additional things to think about. Aaaaaand getting frustrated with **** people were saying, well mostly the garbage JAZZGASM spews. I'm not trying to silence anyone, just expressing my lens.
Opinions bro, they're like herpes, everyone's gottem. Amirite?
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As an authentic Russian accentor I guarantee you the racists here have no clue. I have been victim of Russophobia my whole life. Most are not in the consciousness to understand what they are doing upon us.
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You RAP is way too low, but I have to spread it around before giving it to you again my friend.
HighlandHomie
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The KKK - er, I mean Ferguson PD, is bringing enough attention on this entire situation to hopefully exploit the bigger societal/human rights issues at play here that Mike Brown's death will not be in vain.
I know E.J. Wells (who sent me a rep comment of, "I hope you get racially profiled, bitch" because he doesn't agree with my sentiments on rotten humans who choose to become cops then abuse their power in a sometimes dangerous manner) and several others who have revealed themselves as typical products of sheltered white-privileged lives on this board will continue to search for reasons Mike Brown should be dead, but all the law enforcement involved in the case has already embarrassed themselves to the entire world.
Obviously the militarization of the police forces in the US is one of the biggest things people are talking about, and hopefully petitioning their local/federal elected reps to change, but the systemic oppression of communities such as Ferguson, and countless more like it nationwide, is the biggest thing that people are being forced to acknowledge now.
The most disappointing thing for me is that I remember seeing all these people crying tears of joy and brimming with optimism at rallies when Obama was elected, yet here were are - with a scenario with civil rights violations no less - and Obama has done/said nothing of real worth because he's a POLITICIAN.
I voted for Obama twice, and feel he doesn't get a fair shake from his detractors on many foreign and/or domestic policies, but his involvement (or lack thereof) in Ferguson from the start of it is appalling to me and enough for me to be truly sickened by the fact the corporations were able to dupe the public into thinking they were voting in someone who really could 'inspire' a nation.
People are beginning to organize and speak out about oppression, and with or without politicians currently in DC, there will be some sort of change. And for that, we may look back in 30 years and point to this time period with all the excessive violence, unarmed victim killings by the police and say this is when the people took back some of the power.
Or not.
Or the public will get distracted by pouring ice on themselves for the next few weeks, the next big viral news story and they'll forget about an entire community of people being threatened/abused/tear-gassed by the police for gathering in the town they inhabit.
I know E.J. Wells (who sent me a rep comment of, "I hope you get racially profiled, bitch" because he doesn't agree with my sentiments on rotten humans who choose to become cops then abuse their power in a sometimes dangerous manner) and several others who have revealed themselves as typical products of sheltered white-privileged lives on this board will continue to search for reasons Mike Brown should be dead, but all the law enforcement involved in the case has already embarrassed themselves to the entire world.
Obviously the militarization of the police forces in the US is one of the biggest things people are talking about, and hopefully petitioning their local/federal elected reps to change, but the systemic oppression of communities such as Ferguson, and countless more like it nationwide, is the biggest thing that people are being forced to acknowledge now.
The most disappointing thing for me is that I remember seeing all these people crying tears of joy and brimming with optimism at rallies when Obama was elected, yet here were are - with a scenario with civil rights violations no less - and Obama has done/said nothing of real worth because he's a POLITICIAN.
I voted for Obama twice, and feel he doesn't get a fair shake from his detractors on many foreign and/or domestic policies, but his involvement (or lack thereof) in Ferguson from the start of it is appalling to me and enough for me to be truly sickened by the fact the corporations were able to dupe the public into thinking they were voting in someone who really could 'inspire' a nation.
People are beginning to organize and speak out about oppression, and with or without politicians currently in DC, there will be some sort of change. And for that, we may look back in 30 years and point to this time period with all the excessive violence, unarmed victim killings by the police and say this is when the people took back some of the power.
Or not.
Or the public will get distracted by pouring ice on themselves for the next few weeks, the next big viral news story and they'll forget about an entire community of people being threatened/abused/tear-gassed by the police for gathering in the town they inhabit.
If you feel that equal resources would eliminate wars then you have more faith than I. To stop strife then it would have to be complete and total segregation with no way of contacting each other. Even then we are worse of simply due to the loss of beliefs and view points. When you're all the same it simply guarantees you never grow.
HighlandHomie
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If a Mod could change the thread title to "Ferguson, MO discussion" that would be great. I apologize for the immature thread title when I posted it originally. No excuse other than I am immature.
framer
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Yeah, I think my "give a damn" about these thing was busted for good when the media had to invent the term "White Hispanic" in order to make the narrative for George Zimmerman work. Any time Sharpton or Jackson show up and are welcomed, I just don't care anymore, because nobody is interested in the truth. If you want to loot and riot, I hope you get hurt and learn a life's lesson before you get killed the next time. If you are a police department doing no knock raids for stuff that doesn't call for lethal force, I hope you get sued to the point the practice stops.
And yes, if your community's first reaction to a problem is to riot, you don't deserve to be taken seriously, if you are the rioters in Ferguson, the Arab "street," students rioting after winning a football game, or WTO "protestors." Don't do these things and expect people to treat you like their equals, because you aren't. You are toddlers, and will rightfully be treated like it. You want to protest, follow MLK or Ghandi who were grown *** men, and accepted full responsibility and did great things.
It pisses me off that the first Black president is an effete Alinskyite and not a true disciple of MLK. What a wasted opportunity. What great things could have been done.
And yes, if your community's first reaction to a problem is to riot, you don't deserve to be taken seriously, if you are the rioters in Ferguson, the Arab "street," students rioting after winning a football game, or WTO "protestors." Don't do these things and expect people to treat you like their equals, because you aren't. You are toddlers, and will rightfully be treated like it. You want to protest, follow MLK or Ghandi who were grown *** men, and accepted full responsibility and did great things.
It pisses me off that the first Black president is an effete Alinskyite and not a true disciple of MLK. What a wasted opportunity. What great things could have been done.
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AlaskanAssassin
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I thought we knew that the cop was informed of the robber's description as he was attempting to get the guys out of the street?
GVC
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I'm still waiting for more details, so I don't have a strong opinion either way on the officer's guilt. That this happened is terrible, of course.
I do think it's important to understand the history of law enforcement and incarceration in the Black community in America when considering events like this, and the anger that comes with them. Up until the early 1970s, incarceration rates had been pretty stable for decades, however over the next 30+ years (trends are beginning to change) these rates exploded. This growth has been driven by the War on Drugs and stricter penalties (longer sentences) on crime in general. Even as violent and property crimes decreased, rates of prosecution and incarceration for lesser crimes increased. With rulings on Terry stops (stop and frisk, etc.), which have effectively legalized or even promoted racial profiling (whites who are stopped are much more likely to be found with contraband...), and the higher baseline crime rates, the increase in police presence, incarceration and their negative consequences (1 in 14 Black minors have a parent in prison; roughly 50% of parents in prison were their household's primary bread winner) are profound in the Black community. The gains made during the Civil Rights movement have largely been undone by these changes in law enforcement.
As such, it makes perfect sense that some African Americans would feel as though the police are their enemies. I imagine a pretty compelling argument could be made that the police do more harm than good in low-income Black communities.
I do think it's important to understand the history of law enforcement and incarceration in the Black community in America when considering events like this, and the anger that comes with them. Up until the early 1970s, incarceration rates had been pretty stable for decades, however over the next 30+ years (trends are beginning to change) these rates exploded. This growth has been driven by the War on Drugs and stricter penalties (longer sentences) on crime in general. Even as violent and property crimes decreased, rates of prosecution and incarceration for lesser crimes increased. With rulings on Terry stops (stop and frisk, etc.), which have effectively legalized or even promoted racial profiling (whites who are stopped are much more likely to be found with contraband...), and the higher baseline crime rates, the increase in police presence, incarceration and their negative consequences (1 in 14 Black minors have a parent in prison; roughly 50% of parents in prison were their household's primary bread winner) are profound in the Black community. The gains made during the Civil Rights movement have largely been undone by these changes in law enforcement.
As such, it makes perfect sense that some African Americans would feel as though the police are their enemies. I imagine a pretty compelling argument could be made that the police do more harm than good in low-income Black communities.
Thanks.
I see how race plays a part but I disagree that this is a 100% race based case
You are right that equal platforms don't exist but should they?
Mutual respect is a good start. But how is that achieved? Working towards fair treatment here on out? Recompense for past wrongs on a societal and social level? How?
GVC
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The "media" didn't invent that term. The US Census Bureau classifies "white" as a race, and "Hispanic" as an ethnicity, and has done so for many years. George Zimmerman is a White Hispanic.
Well ya, if you're going to do it, you might as well go for the brown-round.
Well, thanks for being productive then? I know that when I want to change someone's mind or at least grease the gears, the first thing I do is attack their intelligence about that particular topic, and then admit that I don't have an answer or better idea. Doesn't always work, but if it doesn't, then those people are just as stupid as I told them they were. Also, everyone here knows you're smarter than me. Frankly, Hotttnickkk is about the only person I feel confident in my intellectual superiority.
Common sense doesn't care if you're white, black, yellow, or pooh-brown. It's the universal equalizer.
Agreed.
I know! I'm going to call The Bishop Whitey Whiterson and have him rally the troops!
I completely agree with your smoke analogy, but, ummm... All of the smoke is surrounding the kid, not the cop. Again, I ask for the information you have that is contrary to what I have, because I'd really like to know how you came to your conclusion.
Salt Lake City, UT = 75% White
Salt Lake City, UT = 98% Hispanic Landscaping Crews
Come on....
I think it's safe to say that white guys don't typically get jobs on landscaping crews. It's not because of some racially intolerant society or Landscapers Union that is out to kill whitey, it's because of a myriad of factors including pay, hours, how labor intensive it is, and mostly, because most white guys are too proud to do that kind of work. Swap out Landscaping for McDonalds and the pieces still fit.
I'm sure the black community, who, judging by my white-bread upbringing, notoriously have worn the slogan "**** the police" around their culture like some sort of Medal of Honor, are lining up to fill out job applications with the police department.
But what the **** would I know about it, I'm just a dumb white guy after all.
HighlandHomie
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Totally irrelevant to unarmed kid being shot multiple times and killed.
Good post and I agree to some extent. However, there is a question that needs to be asked: How many of the black people that are in prison are there because they broke the law? It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid, immoral, or flat out wrong; if you want to live in the USA, then you have to follow the rules. We typically have zero sympathy for other races that break the law and are incarcerated, so why do blacks get some sort of special attention?
Sometimes, it really is black and white: don't break the law, don't go to prison. Seriously.
Unless the kid assaulted the officer and tried to disarm the cop, which has been reported.
Why I'm bothering? I really don't know.
HighlandHomie
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If he did, one shot by the cop to subdue the kid would suffice. If that shot had gone in the kid's head and killed him, that's part of the duty. But it has been established several shots were fired, the kid started to run and turned around with his hands up to surrender and was shot more times until he was dead.
You know me!
You better know I was joking you pansy. You're very smart, in the dumbest way possible.
Common sense is relative, bro.
Of course you agree, cause I'm ****ing right. The smoke for me is the following:
1. Unarmed black kid shot 6 times
2. Pulls them over, without cause (didn't know about the robbery)
3. Known racial tension in the region
4. History of police abuse
5. Total complete and total overreaction by local cops after the shooting, speaks to character
Landscapers don't carry automatic weapons. Although I weedwacker to the peen sure would hurt.
Good point.
Yes, you're a dumb white guy. Me too. *highfive*