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fishonjazz said:
Your real question is much more simple...... would byu fans rather be in P5 conference or be independent?

I'm quite certain that over 95% of byu fans would choose to be in a P5 conference
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Naw, the best would be independent with a scheduling agreement like Notre Dame and your own TV contract. Not saying that BYU rates that, but that would be the best of all worlds, especially if you had a relationship with the Big 12. That way you could play a staple of Big 12 Teams and two or three PAC 12 opponents too for recruiting purposes.
 
I am not a fan of byu or utah, but i wish there was a byu vs utah game this year :( it is always fun to watch the game.
 
jazzman12 said:
I hate to admit it, but I've been curious to see how the majority of BYU fans feel about their 2-and-0 start so I ventured over to cougarboard and I was taken aback by a lot of what I read. So many posters on that site claiming that BYU is still head and shoulders above Utah as the better program. Do the BYU fans on this site feel that way? When going back the last 20 years, looking at head to head wins and who's put up bigger seasons with bigger wins on a national scale, how can anybody claim that BYU is head and shoulders above Utah? I have no problem conceding that BYU's fan base has a larger, more rabid footprint due to the LDS members around the globe, and yes BYU has the only NC between the two but to put it as simple as possible: BYU has not outperformed Utah over the past 2 decades.

Another thing that struck me: After 2 wins against UCONN and Texas, so many fans talking Heisman possibilities for Taysom, New Years Day bowl game, and some even thinking BYU had a shot at the playoffs. It quickly reminded me that any time BYU is good, so many of their fans immediately go to a "10" on the expectation level. On the flip side, Utah is also 2-0 and most Utah fans still seem to be of the thinking that getting to 6 wins and a bowl game is going to be a tall order. It only fueled my biggest critique of BYU fans which is that a majority of them are clueless honks that really think the college football world revolves around them once they manage to field a decent team.

Props to the BYU fans on this board who seem to be able to temper expectations while still rooting on their team . Yes, there are a few of you here.
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Maybe stay away from cougarboard forever. That place is the worst.
 
jazzman12 said:
I hate to admit it, but I've been curious to see how the majority of BYU fans feel about their 2-and-0 start so I ventured over to cougarboard and I was taken aback by a lot of what I read.
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Sweet.

If you want be more taken aback:



Go to ESPN.com and click:

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That's a nice little 2 minute Sportscenter Hill Heisman segment for you.

Then read go something like this:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...an-watch-everett-golson-taysom-hill/15334209/

4. QB Taysom Hill, Brigham Young (Last week's ranking: No. 9)

Texas is ecstatic about the end of its series with Taysom Hill-led BYU. Hill did it again to the Longhorns, following up last season's breakthrough with 270 yards of total offense and three scores, one a made-for-the-Heisman hurdle job over a hapless UT defender. Leading his team into Austin and notching a 34-point win is just the start: Hill and the Cougars might be eyeballing an undefeated regular season.
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Then go type Taysom Hill or BYU into Google News and you'll find Hype. Hype. Hype. And it's just getting started.
 
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green said:
Let's say BYU was invited to a P5 conference...we will say the Big 12. How many years before you are bowl eligible?
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What does that have to do with the whether or not I want byu to be in a power conference?

Even if we go 3-8 for 10 years, I still want to be in a power conference
 
jazzman12 said:
I hate to admit it, but I've been curious to see how the majority of BYU fans feel about their 2-and-0 start so I ventured over to cougarboard and I was taken aback by a lot of what I read. So many posters on that site claiming that BYU is still head and shoulders above Utah as the better program. Do the BYU fans on this site feel that way? When going back the last 20 years, looking at head to head wins and who's put up bigger seasons with bigger wins on a national scale, how can anybody claim that BYU is head and shoulders above Utah? I have no problem conceding that BYU's fan base has a larger, more rabid footprint due to the LDS members around the globe, and yes BYU has the only NC between the two but to put it as simple as possible: BYU has not outperformed Utah over the past 2 decades.

Another thing that struck me: After 2 wins against UCONN and Texas, so many fans talking Heisman possibilities for Taysom, New Years Day bowl game, and some even thinking BYU had a shot at the playoffs. It quickly reminded me that any time BYU is good, so many of their fans immediately go to a "10" on the expectation level. On the flip side, Utah is also 2-0 and most Utah fans still seem to be of the thinking that getting to 6 wins and a bowl game is going to be a tall order. It only fueled my biggest critique of BYU fans which is that a majority of them are clueless honks that really think the college football world revolves around them once they manage to field a decent team.

Props to the BYU fans on this board who seem to be able to temper expectations while still rooting on their team . Yes, there are a few of you here.
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I get the feel that the people you are talking about are the minority, but the more outspoken minority. I would think the majority of the fans are fairly realistic and know that while a no loss season would be great, it's really really hard to do no matter what the competition level is. It could possibly be that some people try to be hopeful and focus on the positive, to a fault and brush over some of the less fun realities out there.

The idea that the majority are holier than thou "clueless honks" is about the same that the majority of Ute fans are beer guzzling cocky mormon haters. I'm sure for each fan base this is true for some people, but neither are the majority for sure.

BTW, super long shot for a Taysom heisman even if he tears it up and jumps multiple players on TD runs every game. I think people are just excited that BYU actually has someone that is even mentioned in the same sentence as the word heisman.

As to head and shoulders, tough to compare this year as BYU and Utah don't play. Utah has had BYU's number for sure the last decade or so. Tough to argue that Utah's program is not better than BYU's during that span. The only realistic argument for saying they are about even is that Utah has learned to play better than normal against BYU, but that's iffy.

I'll say this, BYU the last couple of years is much faster than has historically been the case, maybe across the board, and Utah has had a rough go in the Pac12. Probably more even than both fan bases care to think it is.

/thesisstatement
 
jazzman12 said:
I hate to admit it, but I've been curious to see how the majority of BYU fans feel about their 2-and-0 start so I ventured over to cougarboard and I was taken aback by a lot of what I read. So many posters on that site claiming that BYU is still head and shoulders above Utah as the better program. Do the BYU fans on this site feel that way? When going back the last 20 years, looking at head to head wins and who's put up bigger seasons with bigger wins on a national scale, how can anybody claim that BYU is head and shoulders above Utah? I have no problem conceding that BYU's fan base has a larger, more rabid footprint due to the LDS members around the globe, and yes BYU has the only NC between the two but to put it as simple as possible: BYU has not outperformed Utah over the past 2 decades.

Another thing that struck me: After 2 wins against UCONN and Texas, so many fans talking Heisman possibilities for Taysom, New Years Day bowl game, and some even thinking BYU had a shot at the playoffs. It quickly reminded me that any time BYU is good, so many of their fans immediately go to a "10" on the expectation level. On the flip side, Utah is also 2-0 and most Utah fans still seem to be of the thinking that getting to 6 wins and a bowl game is going to be a tall order. It only fueled my biggest critique of BYU fans which is that a majority of them are clueless honks that really think the college football world revolves around them once they manage to field a decent team.

Props to the BYU fans on this board who seem to be able to temper expectations while still rooting on their team . Yes, there are a few of you here.
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I think that utah is the better program currently. (Though who had the better team this year is debatable)

I have definitely been taking about going undefeated, hill being in the running for heisman, and getting into a new years day bowl. Why shouldn't byu fans be excited for these things?
If you listen to sports talk radio it read sports arcticles then you see and hear about byu going undefeated and hill being included in heisman discussions.

Plus it's fun to be optimistic.

The reason that ute fans are not having these same discussions is because they don't currently have a player in heisman rankings or talks and they have one of the toughest schedules in the league so are not likely to go undefeated
 
jazzman12 said:
BYU fans would have a rude awakening just like Utah and TCU fans have had. IMO Utah and TCU were slightly better programs than BYU when they left for their new conferences and they've still struggled. As I said earlier in this thread, playing a 4 week stretch against Baylor, Oklahoma, TCU and Kansas State would humble BYU very quickly.
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I'm in the 95% that think the Big 12 would be awesome and yes the grind of tough games every week would be difficult but acceptable. I would take the 5-7 seasons like the Utes are slogging through. I know it to be the case, but it won't stop me from talking trash because it's fun. The Ute program and fans definitely thought they could handle the transition easier than it's been, but on the flip side they are not the bottom of the heap which is nice to see.

I would be equally excited about the Big 12 for basketball as football.
I'm still viewing it as a fond dream, with little to no expectation of it actually happening.
 
green said:
Let's say BYU was invited to a P5 conference...we will say the Big 12. How many years before you are bowl eligible?
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Bowl eligible the first year with an outside shot at the conference title because the front runner is being sanctioned, then probably fall back out of the bowls for a while.
 
Triangle Man said:
I'm in the 95% that think the Big 12 would be awesome and yes the grind of tough games every week would be difficult but acceptable. I would take the 5-7 seasons like the Utes are slogging through. I know it to be the case, but it won't stop me from talking trash because it's fun. The Ute program and fans definitely thought they could handle the transition easier than it's been, but on the flip side they are not the bottom of the heap which is nice to see.

I would be equally excited about the Big 12 for basketball as football.
I'm still viewing it as a fond dream, with little to no expectation of it actually happening.
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Yep.

I think if byu was in the big 12 this year that they would be bowl eligible.

They would probably lose to baylor and oklahoma but I think they could hang with everyone else this season

Having said that,.... pac 12>big12
 
TCU and Utah would've never struggled in their conference transition if they had better QB play. If Andy Dalton had still been TCU's QB in year 1 in the Big 12, it's an entirely different situation.
 
jazzman12 said:
playing a 4 week stretch against Baylor, Oklahoma, TCU and Oklahoma St. would humble BYU very quickly.
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fyp. byu historically is extremely successful defending option teams. k-state wouldn't be half the battle that okie state would be
 
Cy said:
Lol this Taysom Hill guy is old as ****.

Dak will be 200x the QB he is when he is 24.
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Cy has a point. taysom going all chris wienke on us
 
fishonjazz said:
Cy has a point. taysom going all chris wienke on us
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I wonder how much of BYU's success can be attributed to the fact that a lot of their players are older because of mission trips? I'm sure they get rusty at football, but I'm also sure they workout and get swole during those trips too.
 
Cy said:
I wonder how much of BYU's success can be attributed to the fact that a lot of their players are older because of mission trips? I'm sure they get rusty at football, but I'm also sure they workout and get swole during those trips too.
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This argument only comes out when BYU is good. When they suck you don't hear much about it.

So basically, thanks for verifying you think BYU is good.
 
Somebody did the math a few years back and the average age difference between BYU and every one else was like 1.2 years or something. And it will even shrink from that because BYU started a different redshirt policy last year I think.
 
Cy said:
I wonder how much of BYU's success can be attributed to the fact that a lot of their players are older because of mission trips? I'm sure they get rusty at football, but I'm also sure they workout and get swole during those trips too.
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The only muscles that would have been "swole" if I went on a mission when I was 19 would be the ones in my right forearm.

I could have been a thumb war champ if it weren't for my ol' lady. Damn succubus.
 
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