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chawx said:
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It's pretty obvious even to the most dedicated AK homer that he is overpaid. I never suggested otherwise. In most posts when I talk about AK I include the money caveat to anticipate the most common objection, which is about money, when it comes to AK. Like this from yesterday:

I just watched the first quarter again. AK was very active, put up 2 ill-advised shots although they were not forced. He also set up both Williams and Millsap for easy layups which they missed. Put those 2 very easy layups in and AK would have had 6 rather than 4 assists. He was crashing the boards, playing help defense, etc. His stat line (especially FG%) doesn't look very good, but people who were freaking out in chat were going overboard. Of course AK isn't worth what he's paid right now, no question. Also, he seems to have this back problem at least once a season. Still, considering that he is coming back from injury, and that the injury is still affecting him, he did fine. AK wasn't the problem last night. All the criticism directed his way last night wasn't quite balanced with what actually happened in the game, IMO.
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see https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...emphis-7pm-MT...FSR-UT-KFNZ&p=90913#post90913

AK is way overpaid? No kidding. Tell me something I didn't know. That has nothing to do with the criticisms to which I was responding, which is that AK "looks disinterested." It's simply not accurate. Better luck next time. :)
 
I think it's way premature to conclude Hayward > AK. While I like Hayward and think he'll be a solid pro in the end, AK, when he plays with passion (admittedly not always) is quite good and potential difference maker. BUT, if Hayward continues to improve, I'm all for unloading AK before the trade deadline for cap relief and maybe picking up a good complementary player or two. I don't see AK having a LT future with the Jazz after this season in any case. Could be wrong, though.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I think it's way premature to conclude Hayward > AK. While I like Hayward and think he'll be a solid pro in the end, AK, when he plays with passion (which is almost never) is quite good and potential difference maker. BUT, if Hayward continues to improve, I'm all for unloading AK before the trade deadline for cap relief and maybe picking up a good complementary player or two. I don't see AK having a future with the Jazz after this season in any case. Could be wrong, though.
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Fixed for ya.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I think it's way premature to conclude Hayward > AK. While I like Hayward and think he'll be a solid pro in the end, AK, when he plays with passion (which is almost never) is quite good and potential difference maker. BUT, if Hayward continues to improve, I'm all for unloading AK before the trade deadline for cap relief and maybe picking up a good complementary player or two. I don't see AK having a future in the nba after this season in any case. Could be wrong, though.
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Let the playing speak for itself. I mean, Stockton (in my opinion) most usually looked disinterested (facially) yet he was a gritty, hard-working player.

If/when AK starts trotting up the court, making lazy, sloppy passes, looking comatose on defending his guy, etc., then it's time to inspect trades. I don't watch every Utah game (and those I do watch I stream on the internet...nice and pixelated) so I don't know if this is the case for AK.

Hopefully with Sloan playing Hayward, AK will self-ignite a fire under his own butt and wrest back those minutes.
 
chemdude1232 said:
Let the playing speak for itself. I mean, Stockton (in my opinion) most usually looked disinterested (facially) yet he was a gritty, hard-working player.

If/when AK starts trotting up the court, making lazy, sloppy passes, looking comatose on defending his guy, etc., then it's time to inspect trades. I don't watch every Utah game (and those I do watch I stream on the internet...nice and pixelated) so I don't know if this is the case for AK.

Hopefully with Sloan playing Hayward, AK will self-ignite a fire under his own butt and wrest back those minutes.
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If?

When?

Have you seen the Jazz this decade?

This stuff began shortly after he received his max deal. It became a habit shortly after Deron was drafted and AK could see that he was no longer "The Man" since we had Memo, Booz, Harpring, and Deron. He then discovered that he could be paid all the same whether he played hard or didn't.

He's been a bump on the log for most of the time since.
 
Sorry, it's early (where I'm at) and my sarcasm didn't come out quite right.

The if/when, obviously, has occurred. $17M is simply too much to pay a guy who we all wait to turn back the clock and have a 2004-type game. We all know what bad contracts do - take a quick glance at Ostertag's and you'll see how his helped prevent the Jazz from hanging a title banner up - so let's learn from history (both past and present) and send him to Charlotte. Or Philly. Or whoever we can dupe into a trade.
 
chemdude1232 said:
Let the playing speak for itself. I mean, Stockton (in my opinion) most usually looked disinterested (facially) yet he was a gritty, hard-working player.

If/when AK starts trotting up the court, making lazy, sloppy passes, looking comatose on defending his guy, etc., then it's time to inspect trades. I don't watch every Utah game (and those I do watch I stream on the internet...nice and pixelated) so I don't know if this is the case for AK.

Hopefully with Sloan playing Hayward, AK will self-ignite a fire under his own butt and wrest back those minutes.
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Thats exactly what i see when he is on the court
 
chemdude1232 said:
Let the playing speak for itself. I mean, Stockton (in my opinion) most usually looked disinterested (facially) yet he was a gritty, hard-working player.

If/when AK starts trotting up the court, making lazy, sloppy passes, looking comatose on defending his guy, etc., then it's time to inspect trades. I don't watch every Utah game (and those I do watch I stream on the internet...nice and pixelated) so I don't know if this is the case for AK.
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Exactly, and as it stands, this does not describe AK's game this season for the most part. Of course he's overpaid. That doesn't mean he isn;t trying to run the offense with some energy and play good defense.
 
chemdude1232 said:
Sorry, it's early (where I'm at) and my sarcasm didn't come out quite right.

The if/when, obviously, has occurred. $17M is simply too much to pay a guy who we all wait to turn back the clock and have a 2004-type game. We all know what bad contracts do - take a quick glance at Ostertag's and you'll see how his helped prevent the Jazz from hanging a title banner up - so let's learn from history (both past and present) and send him to Charlotte. Or Philly. Or whoever we can dupe into a trade.
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It's his last year. I say if a good trade doesn't present itself then offer to resign for 3 or 4 million TOPS and if he walks he walks.
 
There are a few things that Hayward does on the court that AK does not do as well.

*He runs plays all the way through the court. AK goes through the play and usually doesn't hustle through the play.
*He passes the ball on the perimeter with some zip on the ball.
*He actually goes after rebound

At this point, Hayward's biggest problem is that he can't create his own shot.
 
I'm liking Hayward even more after this interview.

"I think I am more athletic than people give me credit for, sometimes I realize in this league if you go up soft and lay it up, they are not going to bail you out. You just gotta try to go up and dunk it and if you get fouled, you get fouled, you should go hard to the rim."

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=13860439&nid=304
 
chemdude1232 said:
If/when AK starts trotting up the court, making lazy, sloppy passes, looking comatose on defending his guy, etc., then it's time to inspect trades. I don't watch every Utah game (and those I do watch I stream on the internet...nice and pixelated) so I don't know if this is the case for AK.
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he is putting up a replacement level PER in a walk year. he doesn't care.

chemdude1232 said:
Hopefully with Sloan playing Hayward, AK will self-ignite a fire under his own butt and wrest back those minutes.
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or he'll just cry like he did before when things weren't going his way.
 
As is stands right now I believe that to be true. AK cannot bring anything to the table every night.
I love the way Hayward passes the ball. He's played so smart right now, and having very little errors.
While AK makes some spectacular passes once in a while, he's not that consistent of a ball handler.

As much as I dislike AK right now I'd love to see him start going all out on defense, and playing for next year's pay check.
Is this really the note you want to leave Utah on AK? Is this all you have left?
 
JazzSin said:
I'm liking Hayward even more after this interview.

"I think I am more athletic than people give me credit for, sometimes I realize in this league if you go up soft and lay it up, they are not going to bail you out. You just gotta try to go up and dunk it and if you get fouled, you get fouled, you should go hard to the rim."

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=13860439&nid=304
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Remember, we can't believe everything said in interviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

Ok ok, I like Hayward and hope he holds to it. So far what I see is a good work ethic, true basketball ability, a good head on his shoulders, and a willingness to play, play hard, and play through difficulties. That, I like.
 
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