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Another Beautiful thing about relegation is that you get some pretty wicked games. In the Bundeliga the top two teams move up, the bottom two teams move down, then the third worst team from the upper division and the third best team from the lower division have a play-off for the right to be in the upper division (these are always emotionally packed games). In College football, the relegation play-off would make a killer bowl game. There would be something very real on the line.
 
Relegation conference example 5

South
South Carolina
North Carolina St
North Carolina
Duke
Wake Forrest
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky

South(relegated)
Georgia St
UAB
Troy
East Carolina
Middle Tennessee
Memphis
Western Kentucky
Louisville
 
Relegation conference example 6

Northeast
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Boston College
Penn St
West Virginia

Northeast(relegated)
Umass
Buffalo
Connecticut
Army
Rutgers
Temple
Navy
Old Dominion
 
Relegation conference example 7

Midwest
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois
Northwestern

Midwest(relegated)
Kent St
Akron
Ohio
Cincinnati
Miami,OH
Bowling Green
Toledo
Marshall
 
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Relegation conference example 8

Plains
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Missouri
Iowa St
Nebraska
Kabsas St
Kansas

Plains(relegated)
Northern Illinois
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Ball St
Arkansas St
Eastern Michigan


I think I missed 2 teams somewhere
 
I like the relegation idea. It'll very likely never happen, but is fun to think about.

#jazzfanzsolvestheworldsproblems
 
jazzman12 said:
colton said:
You think "Come play for us, we're in the MWC" is a better recruiting tool than "Come play for us, we're on ESPN every week"??? I certainly don't.
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Doesn't the AAC have an ESPN deal as well? I certainly think it helps BYU recruit kids in Florida when they can sell kids on the fact that they can come play at UCF twice in their career. It works for any area that has a team in their conference. And even if it is just the AAC, I think being able to show kids conferences championships doesn't hurt. Also, if BYU went to either conference, they probably do so while retaining BYUtv and an Espn deal in some form. They would have that much leverage. I think it helps with fan interest as well.
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As another thing that just occurred to me regarding whether BYU is better off as an independent or in a non Big Five conference... I remember reading a few articles back when the Big Five rule changes were announced (larger scholarships, etc) to the effect that since BYU is independent they are not limited to the old rules like the non Big Five schools are. BYU can decide whether to follow the Big Five new rules, and to what extent. And one of the articles talked about BYU very likely following the Big Five in many/most financial aspects. So BYU is definitely better off in being able to offer money to top recruits than ANY of the non Big Five schools.
 
colton said:
I like the relegation idea. It'll very likely never happen, but is fun to think about.

#jazzfanzsolvestheworldsproblems
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I imagine that an anti-trust lawsuit is what it would take to get the ball rolling. That's the only way I could see it happening.
 
colton said:
As another thing that just occurred to me regarding whether BYU is better off as an independent or in a non Big Five conference... I remember reading a few articles back when the Big Five rule changes were announced (larger scholarships, etc) to the effect that since BYU is independent they are not limited to the old rules like the non Big Five schools are. BYU can decide whether to follow the Big Five new rules, and to what extent. And one of the articles talked about BYU very likely following the Big Five in many/most financial aspects. So BYU is definitely better off in being able to offer money to top recruits than ANY of the non Big Five schools.
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Two things:

1- I definitely could be wrong here because I haven't studied up on it but I thought I heard that with the new ruling, the NCAA was going to allow non-P5 schools the ability to do stipends if they so choose. Again, I may be incorrect on that, but like the 8 team playoff, I find it inevitable.


2- Sure, BYU could pay more than a P5 school in theory, but I highly doubt a religious institution that never wants to make football it's #1 priority is ever going to shell out big bucks to keep kids away from USC or Oregon. BYU will never be in the business of bidding for players.
 
Relegation works for soccer in Europe in leagues with professional athletes. While us fans might enjoy it, it's a pipe dream at best to discuss it in regards to college football.
 
jazzman12 said:
Relegation works for soccer in Europe in leagues with professional athletes. While us fans might enjoy it, it's a pipe dream at best to discuss it in regards to college football.
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I agree that it is highly unlikely, but why do you think it only would work for professional athletes? I don't think that has anything to do with it. I think the power 5 schools(especially those bad at football) don't want to risk it. $$$$$$$
 
jazzman12 said:
Two things:

1- I definitely could be wrong here because I haven't studied up on it but I thought I heard that with the new ruling, the NCAA was going to allow non-P5 schools the ability to do stipends if they so choose. Again, I may be incorrect on that, but like the 8 team playoff, I find it inevitable.
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I haven't heard that at all. Would be interested in a reference if you hear/read it again.

2- Sure, BYU could pay more than a P5 school in theory, but I highly doubt a religious institution that never wants to make football it's #1 priority is ever going to shell out big bucks to keep kids away from USC or Oregon. BYU will never be in the business of bidding for players.
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I think you mis-read something. I was saying that BYU could (and would) pay more than a non P5 school. Not more than a P5 school. So from a recruiting standpoint BYU is better off being independent than being in a non P5 conference. (I wasn't saying that they are better off on that point than being in a P5 conference.)
 
colton said:
I haven't heard that at all. Would be interested in a reference if you hear/read it again.



I think you mis-read something. I was saying that BYU could (and would) pay more than a non P5 school. Not more than a P5 school. So from a recruiting standpoint BYU is better off being independent than being in a non P5 conference. (I wasn't saying that they are better off on that point than being in a P5 conference.)
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I did misread that. And everything I read just refers to non P5s not having stipend ability. Perhaps I tuned in when they were discussing the independents.
 
heyhey said:
I agree that it is highly unlikely, but why do you think it only would work for professional athletes? I don't think that has anything to do with it. I think the power 5 schools(especially those bad at football) don't want to risk it. $$$$$$$
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I also think most of it would stem from money reasons but I also don't think it's fair to the kids. There's SoCal kids that get snubbed by USC and UCLA and end up choosing the likes of Utah because they get the chance to stick it to the schools that passed them by. Then after the player makes a commitment to Utah, the school is relegated to a different division with different schools and those kids have that chance taken from them. Just one example but it's stuff like that I wouldn't like.
 
jazzman12 said:
I also think most of it would stem from money reasons but I also don't think it's fair to the kids. There's SoCal kids that get snubbed by USC and UCLA and end up choosing the likes of Utah because they get the chance to stick it to the schools that passed them by. Then after the player makes a commitment to Utah, the school is relegated to a different division with different schools and those kids have that chance taken from them. Just one example but it's stuff like that I wouldn't like.
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What are you talking about? That would be awesome.
 
Relegation will never happen for one reason:

Money.

Washington State, Kentucky, Kansas, etc would never vote for relegation.
 
How does the BCS let the SEC have two teams in the playoff and not leave out a champion? Most people think it is an 8 team playoff. There is a simpler solution. The problem with the 8 team playoff is it opens the door for a non-P5 to get in. And that is the whole point of the new playoff: keep the G5 out. Easy fix:

6 team playoff. Teams #1 and #2 get bye's.

All 5 P5 champions get auto bids. One team gets the "wildcard". This allows a spot for ND, or another SEC team. Teams #1 and #2 get bye weeks. #3 plays #6, #4 plays #5. Winners play #1 and #2. Problem solved.
 
One thing that will probably happen long before the playoff expands:

Evening out the schedule. Someone will get left out. Maybe it is a two loss PAC-12 team. Maybe it is the #2 SEC team.

If the SEC gets left out, they go to 9 conference games.
If the PAC-12 gets left out, they go to 8 conference games.

I really don't think the Big 12 is the big lynch pin like BYU fans hope. My reason? They play 9 conference games. The ACC, Big 10 (though not for long) and SEC plays 8. Right now, a one loss PAC-12 or Big 12 gets in over a one loss ACC/SEC/Big10 team (if SOS is true) because they play more P5 teams. So, with the Big 12 playing more conference games, they don't need the championship game for SOS reasons. They have that "extra" game built into their schedule already.

Let's say Stanford ends up with two losses but wins the PAC-12 championship. I think they get in over a one loss Ol' Miss team that didn't win the SEC title game because of their schedules.

Look at Ol' Miss's OOC games:

Boise St
Louisiana
Memphis
Presbyterian

vs

UC Davis
Army
Notre Dame
additional PAC-12 game
PAC-12 title game

Stanford's schedule is much, much tougher.

Same with Miss St.

Their 4 OOC? Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama, UT Martin.

The committee will have to decide what is more important. If SOS is, then the SEC will get killed in the playoff selection. If that happens, they will move to 9 conference games. If the SEC does not get killed, and a two loss PAC-12 gets snubbed for a one loss SEC then the PAC-12 will move to 8 conference games.

Anyways, my discourse is done.

tl/dr version:

I think conference games all go to 8 games or all conferences go to 9 games before the playoff is expanded.
 
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