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You've seen enough - Burks to start or off the bench?

Do you want Burks to start at SG or off the bench as the 6th man/scorer?

  • Start Burks at SG

    Votes: 40 88.9%

  • Bring him off the bench as the 6th man/scorer

    Votes: 5 11.1%

  • Trade him

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    45
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Pretty simple poll question - Do you want Burks to start at SG or off the bench as the 6th man/scorer?


Make your vote count!!!
 
I vote start Burks at SG.


Seems to me the offense runs better with Burke/Hayward/Favors on the floor. Less chance for Burks to go 1-on-1 on his own. You still get his slashing talent & drawing fouls, but you also don't have to put up with him going "rogue".
 
Now: Start Burks

He deserves the chance to show if he can do it.

Future: 6th man

He doesn't prove that he is as effective, or the team is as effective, when he starts and goes back to being a 6th man.
 
So far this year the team and Burks have been more effective with Burks playing alongside starters than bench players.
Maybe that will change. Until it does, keep starting him imo
 
fishonjazz said:
So far this year the team and Burks have been more effective with Burks playing alongside starters than bench players.
Maybe that will change. Until it does, keep starting him imo
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Yup agreed.


Feels like he tries to do too much by himself when he's in the 2nd unit - too much of standing around and watch Burks do this thang when Burks come off the bench.
 
He seem to have trouble playing within a system. He is very instinctive player and the overriding instinct for him is - get the ball and attack the rim. People were blasting at Rigby for saying he went rogue in some possessions in the very first game, but he was spot on. And he keeps doing it. Especially when he plays with the second unit with less experienced players or less skilled players like he did today - he looks at his teammates and probably thinks "What can they do, we are much better off if I just drive and try to get a layup or a foul" without any regard about the way this breaks down our whole offensive scheme. Good, you are going to drive and score every once in a while, but what happens the rest of the time or when the opponent realizes exactly what you are doing and starts stacking the low post to counteract and to try to stop you? Wasted possessions. Broken offense! Fast break points. Demoralization of the squad...

I want to see how he does when he's on the floor with our starters. He's never going to be straight forward player who sticks to the plays we are trying to run 100% of the time, but we need to at least try and see how close to those 100% we can get him, because his skill for getting to the rim is on an elite level and we can use it in specific situations or within the concept of the system, we just shouldn't sacrifice the system for his ability to drive, because this way you sacrifice pretty much every other player on the team for Burks and he sure isn't and probably never will be on a level that justifies that.

So yah, my opinion - start him now, see how he does with the starters. I think this is the best case actually, since I expect him to go off quite often with the second unit.
 
The most frustrating **** is that he doesn't take open 3's. Sometimes he passes them up and finds a lane to the basket and scores, but sometimes he passes them up and it throws off the offense and we are now in a late shot clock possession because he passed up the open look the offense created.

It's cool when our offense breaks down and the ball finds him, and he is able to help the team out by creating, but will he more often be the cause of the offense breaking down or the solution to the offense break down?
 
I don't think we've seen enough, which seems to be everyone's conclusion here. Let him start. See how it goes.
 
i don't mind him to be a 6th man as long as he gets his 30min a game and finishes the games

otherwise don't waste his talents and trade him to cle or phx
 
Another thing to consider is Hayward and Burke are shooting the 3's pretty well right now - which masks Burks' inability to knock down 3pters consistently. Hayward and Burke's shooting should also open up more spaces for Burks to drive.


In the 2nd unit you have Exum who isn't a consistent shooter (yet) so pairing him with Burks isn't ideal in terms of trying to space the floor.
 
Well, if he does not start at the SG, then who does? Both Hood and Hayward are SFs. Exum is not ready to start at all, he is not a SG in the first place, at least for now. Ian Clark?

If you ask me Burks was arguably the most improving player last season. He deserves 30+ minutes already. Off the bench or not, does not matter much. But keep in mind he is not a player beasting against scrubs. His best offensive games were against contenders. He'd be a complete player if he improved his jumpshot/FT tough.

I believe Corbin and his hideous coaching staff had done a terrible job with developing Burks. He got DNPs when perfectly healthy, wasted months. He has a lot of room for improvement. Let him play, let him improve and learn. And let him show how good he is. After all the Jazz have a decision to make soon enough.
 
jjscap said:
Well, if he does not start at the SG, then who does? Both Hood and Hayward are SFs. Exum is not ready to start at all, he is not a SG in the first place, at least for now. Ian Clark?

If you ask me Burks was arguably the most improving player last season. He deserves 30+ minutes already. Off the bench or not, does not matter much. But keep in mind he is not a player beasting against scrubs. His best offensive games were against contenders. He'd be a complete player if he improved his jumpshot/FT tough.

I believe Corbin and his hideous coaching staff had done a terrible job with developing Burks. He got DNPs when perfectly healthy, wasted months. He has a lot of room for improvement. Let him play, let him improve and learn. And let him show how good he is. After all the Jazz have a decision to make soon enough.
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I noticed your signature has "in DL we trust".


I wonder how many of KOC's old players and draft picks will be left by the time DL is done with the roster. Gobert, Exum, Burke, Hood all looks to me like smart, high BBIQ basketball players and all seems like real keepers.


Kanter though is still struggling to find his feet and place in the league. Alec is still trying to prove that he can be at least a solid starter or alternatively a LEGIT 6th man off the bench. They'll cost a lot of money to keep too...


TBH, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if both of them are no longer on the Jazz roster next year.
 
jjscap said:
Well, if he does not start at the SG, then who does? Both Hood and Hayward are SFs. Exum is not ready to start at all, he is not a SG in the first place, at least for now. Ian Clark?

If you ask me Burks was arguably the most improving player last season. He deserves 30+ minutes already. Off the bench or not, does not matter much. But keep in mind he is not a player beasting against scrubs. His best offensive games were against contenders. He'd be a complete player if he improved his jumpshot/FT tough.

I believe Corbin and his hideous coaching staff had done a terrible job with developing Burks. He got DNPs when perfectly healthy, wasted months. He has a lot of room for improvement. Let him play, let him improve and learn. And let him show how good he is. After all the Jazz have a decision to make soon enough.
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Totally agree here. I worry a bit about what shape that leaves our second unit in, as Exum, save for a few flashes, looks more he's two years away from being a steady contributor than just next year. I think Murray/Jones are in for some serious playing time this year. Both are actually decent scrubs, but still scrub-level (and I'm a Wichita State homer). I like what Hood brings and think he'll help shore up the second unit. But unless Kanter gets demoted in favor of Gobert we're going to have a lack of consistent fire power there methinks...

Captain Obvious out.
 
At the moment it's pretty obvious, he should start unless someone can unseat him, he has paid his dues
 
It's a no-brainer - you've got to give the kid 65-70 consecutive starts. Does anyone think it's a homer stretch to say this kid's ceiling is all-star? You have to see how he grows in the starting unit.

If it doesn't work out it's not like you can't move him back to 6th man. Hell, Jamal Crawford started like 400 games in his career.
 
Did not vote. Seems to me we can't know the answer to that question until we know two things. Can someone else fill the the starting role adequately and do we have anyone else who can score adequately as a sixth man? Does he deserve to start? Most definitely!! Wait and see was not a poll choice.
 
Honestly the only reason this is even a discussion is Tyrone Corbin. IOW, Corbin brought Burks off the bench so we're talking about it. If the Jazz need scoring/playmaking off the bench, Hayward is the guy best suited for it and I'm not sure it's close. He provides shooting where the Jazz don't have it with Exum, he's a better guy in terms of making teammates better (again something the 2nd unit needs) and he can still put the ball in the basket in terms of being a scorer.
 
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