This was a small clip of what she endured. I am not surprised by your minimizing of the situation. I am sure it is a cultural difference for you. It wasn't simply saying have a nice day and you know it? All those guys were hitting on the girl.
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This was a small clip of what she endured. I am not surprised by your minimizing of the situation. I am sure it is a cultural difference for you. It wasn't simply saying have a nice day and you know it? All those guys were hitting on the girl.
scootsy
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This is why people are reacting the way they are. You're arguing that tact and courtesy and respect be extended to all women, but you've made your argument without any of those things.
This is what I meant. I've met fish, if he came up to me like these guys did I would be scared.
Great point.
My actual quote was "men seeing women's bodies as objects for their amusement/pleasure". It incorporates the notion that men have some sort of claim on women's bodies, which is absent from "seeing women as objects".
You seem to be associating my arguments with being sex negative; I associate them with being sex positive. What's happening in the original video is not sex or even men seriously looking for sex; that's what they are using as a rationalization.
As for your opinion, it has some good merit. Many men are way to aggressive, rude and derogetory in how they approach women and that is not ok.
However, seeing a (in our own opinions) beautiful woman in public and trying to engage her is not a bad thing, imo. As long as you repect any answer given, are not vulger/rude and are a gentleman about it.
I see no problem walking up and saying "Hi, I think you are very beautiful and I wanted to know if I could have your number/take you to lunch?". If she declines then Apologize for bothering her and move on. No following, whistling, cat calling, comments about a physical feature, rudeness, aggressive behavior...
Edited: as no need to beat a dead horse.
Considering the extremely low hit ratio when approaching a woman who has signaled no interest initially, there are better uses of your time if you are really trying to have sex with someone.
You can't change the latter without changing the former; they are related.
If it happened every day, many times a day, I'm sure even you would get tired of it.
Ok. I'll disregard your rude jabs in this post and call it even then. In all honesty, the one poster I was really going after deserved it and and I would do it again. **** that guy.
What you described is not what I have issue with and I think it would get you some tail.
I would argue that this is very prevelant in American women towards men as well. It is not as vocal and public as men towards women but it is still very much there. The ways of expressing it are different but it is still there.
Already edited and removed as it was already addressed.
It does, quite often actually. Women tend to respond positively towards well dressed guys with good hygeine, manners and clean speech.
In my experience some facial hair and tattoos don't hurt lol.
Stifle Tower
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There's a big difference between saying "hello" and harassment. Only one time did I see an instance where I felt the comment was ok...just a simple greeting - but then the guy ends up following her for 5 minutes. Don't think this happens in LA or the anywhere in the West. There is a time and place for talking with or flirting with a woman. Her trying to walk down the street isn't one of them. If I were a woman, I would hate living in NY and having to put up with that crap.
It's so interesting to keep repeating that social context matters, that all of this is about interactions, and then be told that I'm talking as if I don't interact with people.
I've been that guy. Except, I wasn't putting in work, I was sharing who I was and taking in who the woman was, I only did this with women who were receptive, and parties are about being social with other people. Again, context.
Perhaps these women felt you were more interested in playing with their bodies than in intimacy.
Again, I think it's a mistake to characterize these interactions as being about sex.
This happens in SLC, often.
So, it's the victim's fault for not being strong or tough enough?
Oh gawd...
anybody interested in a female's perspective on this?
(here it is, like it or not... since I'm inserting my thoughts into something some of you may feel is your personal male domain, feel free to consider this as "harassment" - - it's my own form of revenge...)
Shakespeare wrote a play for this, I think he called it "Much Ado About Nothing" or something like that
Six hundred minutes of video condensed to less than two - - yeah, I definitely agree with what a few others have posted, it certainly paints a picture that is not completely reflected by reality.
The guy who "harassed" her by "following" her for 5 minutes, says "Hello, good morning" and follows-up with "God bless, have a good day" (it occurs at around the 1 minute mark) - after his comments were ignored, he basically seemed to ignore her - - any chance he might have just been going in the same direction?
And what a perfect confluence of events - an organization looking for publicity and increased donations, and a free-lance photo/videographer who's looking for funding to produce a video - aren't they lucky they found each other. Win-win for both!
I thought the comment by Siro concerning cultural relativism - how men in different cultures behave differently - makes a good point. And as was pointed out by Candrew, the video was edited - and it looks like she was passing through predominantly black or ethnic neighborhoods though much of her walk. Could some degree of cultural difference have been at work as well? I didn't see much of her walking in the financial district or mid-town.
And please, I'm not saying that bad behavior should be excused because of cultural differences, but I do believe that those differences should be taken into consideration before judgement is passed and the sentence is handed down.
anybody interested in a female's perspective on this?
(here it is, like it or not... since I'm inserting my thoughts into something some of you may feel is your personal male domain, feel free to consider this as "harassment" - - it's my own form of revenge...)
Shakespeare wrote a play for this, I think he called it "Much Ado About Nothing" or something like that
Six hundred minutes of video condensed to less than two - - yeah, I definitely agree with what a few others have posted, it certainly paints a picture that is not completely reflected by reality.
The guy who "harassed" her by "following" her for 5 minutes, says "Hello, good morning" and follows-up with "God bless, have a good day" (it occurs at around the 1 minute mark) - after his comments were ignored, he basically seemed to ignore her - - any chance he might have just been going in the same direction?
And what a perfect confluence of events - an organization looking for publicity and increased donations, and a free-lance photo/videographer who's looking for funding to produce a video - aren't they lucky they found each other. Win-win for both!
I thought the comment by Siro concerning cultural relativism - how men in different cultures behave differently - makes a good point. And as was pointed out by Candrew, the video was edited - and it looks like she was passing through predominantly black or ethnic neighborhoods though much of her walk. Could some degree of cultural difference have been at work as well? I didn't see much of her walking in the financial district or mid-town.
And please, I'm not saying that bad behavior should be excused because of cultural differences, but I do believe that those differences should be taken into consideration before judgement is passed and the sentence is handed down.
I agree.
I agree with your whole post except for one point: it happens everywhere in the US.