calling it now: Kanter will be traded, and Burke will be in the deal

[Stifle Tower]

The huge problem with Favors/Gobert pairing is not their individual offense(which can be a problem, too), it is the team offense that suffers most - the spacing gets screwed totally. There was a point last night when the Suns refused to guard Gobert anywhere out of 15 feet. They just sagged off him and clogged the paint. I can't stress enough how much of a problem this is. It means that one of our players guards himself out of 15 feet. It means the opponent can double other player in certain situations without having to worry about getting abused for it. It means the opponent can use 1 player to guard 2 people in certain situations around the paint, thus having much easier task of help defense and covering the perimeter. It means that the pick and roll with Gobert becomes obsolete - when Gobert's man just doesn't come up with him to guard him, it means creating less mismatches.

Now imagine you have 2 player of this sort on the court at the same time. Favors is a bit better really, so that's unfair and he will make them regret sagging off him this much, but the point is still valid - we'd have 2 players on the floor who cannot score out of the paint. I simply don't see it as a viable option offensively in the long run.

The next question would be can Favors and Kanter play together? I'd say evidence shows they can't. At least not that well.
The Jazz have three players who have to be in the paint to be effective in Favors, Kanter and Gobert. I don't think there's any question who the starting 5 should be, especially after last night. Favors absolutely dominated the paint on both ends. Derrick is not a PF; he doesn't have the range, although he's improved his offensive game considerably the last couple of years.

I'd argue Kanter has pretty much proven - barring miraculous development over the next 79 games - that he doesn't have the quickness to guard 4's, nor can he be a consistent outside. So he has to be a center.

So that leaves us with the question of who should be the backup 5: Kanter or Gobert. I know Enes has some Big-Al type moves underneath, but he's just too much of a liability on the other end. Plus he's up for a contract. IMO, Jazz HAVE to go with Gobert. Much rawer, but has shown the potential of being an elite defender. And there's no reason right now he can't just play the 15-18 mins behind Derrick. Gobert is not ready to be a starter. If he gets there in 2-3 years, that's fine. Then we have two amazing assets in Gobert and Favors. It could very well come down to Favors signing at a hometown discount if he wants to remain in Utah. Or Utah could include either in a blockbuster trade.

IMO, the Jazz need to part ways with Enes and pursue a stretch-4. Maybe happens at the deadline or perhaps via free agency next summer. Kanter needs to be in a situation like Charlotte. He's not going to be effective in Quin's offense where he can neither be the anchor inside nor be a perimeter shooter.

 

[Stifle Tower]

i think burks is the real piece not fitting our team, he gotta be traded because he is a good player and we can get something in return, but we will get literally nothing for kanter in current position.

After the game he had last night, maybe Jazz should trade Favors. He's got more value than Burks.
Derrick might even net us Thomas from Phoenix. I'm sure they would love to have the player who schooled Plumlee and Len and has one of the best contracts in the league. Then play Kanter at the 5. Logjam solved and Enes gets to play inside.

 

[Fishsticks]

i would trade you from world for aliens

Ok. I guess you call that funny where you are from?

 

[Fishsticks]

What does being Turkish have to do with it? Is it like "being Turkish, he WOULD f...k up, naturally, and it would not be surprising, but in spite of that disadvantage of his I hope he doesn't f up..."?

You don't know sepanol very well. Pretends to be a jazz fan, but is purely a kanter homer. Chases people around who are not kanter homers and negs. Basically biggest bitch on this board.

 

[Jazz4ever]

guys, guess what , i was expecting kanter to be much better right now than he actually is so i was wrong and i accept it. but please all peeople who got hatred for him, dont say he is a good player if he has good performance for couple of games in a row, like he got 2 bad games in a row. JUst have an opinion and defend it.

right now it is stupidest thing to trade kanter because he got no trade value at all. But at least he still got some potential. So see until end of season, if he consistently sucks, just let him go, simple as it is. Dont be a hater, be logical ( though im stilll a boozer hater)

i think burks is the real piece not fitting our team, he gotta be traded because he is a good player and we can get something in return, but we will get literally nothing for kanter in current position. best bet keep him until end of season to make a good decision. BUt i repeat it again and again, Burks, is not a good fit. we got exum , we got hayward who is better at 2, we cant keep all 3 of them. We need a powerful SF and make a rotation between hayward exum and him and let burks go. And burke may not be best pg ever but we cant afford a more quality pg while we pay so much to hayward. So burke should stay too. this is my opinion about our perimeter.

About bigmen, i believe Favors will be a good part of team but he aint become karl malone in one game and he wont become fesenko with couple bad games he will play thoroughout season. Just about kanter, all i can hope is he dont f...k up. Not for that he is turkish but for the sake of team. Because we wont be able to find a better player then one he would become with fulfilled potential with same price. And in contrary to some retard posters think (well just vermin actually), i am not a kanter fan but jazz fan, so if he sucks, he can go to hell, just it is not for the good of the team to boo him or trade him right now.

Yeah but it's not going to sit well with Kanter or his agent if he gets moved to the bench and gets 20 minutes a game. On the Jazz its clear Booker deserves the starting PF spot right now. Are we playing to win games or get Enes and his agent a bigger contract? Enes could start on a few teams in this league who don't have a Booker level player. Thus the trade talks.

 

[Getting Traded]

i think burks is the real piece not fitting our team, he gotta be traded because he is a good player and we can get something in return, but we will get literally nothing for kanter in current position. best bet keep him until end of season to make a good decision. BUt i repeat it again and again, Burks, is not a good fit. we got exum , we got hayward who is better at 2, we cant keep all 3 of them. We need a powerful SF and make a rotation between hayward exum and him and let burks go. And burke may not be best pg ever but we cant afford a more quality pg while we pay so much to hayward. So burke should stay too. this is my opinion about our perimeter.

I'd trade Hayward before I'd trade Burks. Sure, Hayward is better all around now, but I think Burks is going to be a lot better offensively -- he already is better offensively - and has the potential to be a better perimeter defender because he is much quicker. Burks' talent is his quickness and speed. I've said this from day one.

 

[sepanol]

What does being Turkish have to do with it? Is it like "being Turkish, he WOULD f...k up, naturally, and it would not be surprising, but in spite of that disadvantage of his I hope he doesn't f up..."?

its because i am turkish bro, i am trying to say i am putting team priority ahead of my homie boy, got it now?

 

[sepanol]

I'd trade Hayward before I'd trade Burks. Sure, Hayward is better all around now, but I think Burks is going to be a lot better offensively -- he already is better offensively - and has the potential to be a better perimeter defender because he is much quicker. Burks' talent is his quickness and speed. I've said this from day one.

the thing with hayward is , he knows the game really well. burks is just skilled, and good athlete, not a brain in the game but hayward is. i still think jazz gave him an offer more than he is worth but still if hayward is off the pitch jazz will basically fall down in long run. we gotta have some brain in the pitch and now that we got no more deron or his likes, we need hayward.

burks could be talented,quick whatever u say,i am not claiming opposite but he is better off being traded rather than giving a bigger role in team. Because hayward- burks duo is a liability defensively.

 

[sepanol]

Yeah but it's not going to sit well with Kanter or his agent if he gets moved to the bench and gets 20 minutes a game. On the Jazz its clear Booker deserves the starting PF spot right now. Are we playing to win games or get Enes and his agent a bigger contract? Enes could start on a few teams in this league who don't have a Booker level player. Thus the trade talks.

well it is not our problem, then kanter should move his *** up and work , first if he wants to get a good contract and second if he wanna be something in this league. You cant just say, ooh i got benched i am going to another team. i am pretty sure enes will recover pretty quick, but we need a consistent performance, not bad 2 games and good 3 games. kanter got luxury to look bad only one game in every 10 if he wants to be an allstar level player.

 

[sepanol]

You don't know sepanol very well. Pretends to be a jazz fan, but is purely a kanter homer. Chases people around who are not kanter homers and negs. Basically biggest bitch on this board.

hahaha it is funny to see you getting mad , it is even funnier how you are spreading around random reputation just to neg rep me. wake up bro, i am probably better jazz fan than you, you wouldnt bother yourself waking up at 4 am and watch jazz games if you were living abroad.

i am not supporting kanter anymore as i did before for two reasons, first his attitude towards his nation, second his failure to fulfill his potential. but as a member of this team, i hope he will be much better in time, i still think kanter will make a good comeback in upcoming games and stay in this team next season too. honestly i am not a hater like you, if he sucks, he will just leave, if not he will contribute. what goes around comes around. it is just basketball, not life and death issue. So as your avatar says: just Keep Calm BİTCh!! ))

 

[Fishsticks]

hahaha it is funny to see you getting mad , it is even funnier how you are spreading around random reputation just to neg rep me. wake up bro, i am probably better jazz fan than you, you wouldnt bother yourself waking up at 4 am and watch jazz games if you were living abroad.

i am not supporting kanter anymore as i did before for two reasons, first his attitude towards his nation, second his failure to fulfill his potential. but as a member of this team, i hope he will be much better in time, i still think kanter will make a good comeback in upcoming games and stay in this team next season too. honestly i am not a hater like you, if he sucks, he will just leave, if not he will contribute. what goes around comes around. it is just basketball, not life and death issue. So as your avatar says: just Keep Calm BİTCh!! ))

I am not mad. Just eating popcorn and watching you melt down.

 

[Fishsticks]

Ohh and you are a kanter homer in the worst way. Quit pretending.

I am right you have always been wrong. Kanter sucks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I still think Kanter can be a good bench player. He just can't play alongside Favors. It's not possible. He isn't good enough on the perimeter and the ball sticks to much with him. For Kanter to be effective he has to have the low post action and be free to crash the offensive glass and not worry about defending the perimeter. Let him dominate some bench bigs for 20 mpg.

Kind of emphasize with Corbin now. How much hate did he get for not playing Kanter/Favors together? He probably saw this **** in practice and was just like "Hell nah, **** dat".

 

[yamers]

doesn't take a genius to realize that Kanter and Favors cant co-exist. You can't keep trying something that has not worked at all...

saw last year the mighty chris kaymen dominating enes kanter hardcore.

 

[Krespino]

its because i am turkish bro, i am trying to say i am putting team priority ahead of my homie boy, got it now?

"sepanol" has given me the impression the person writing that would be Spanish or related...

My personal view, Kanter should "get rid of" the people around him, in order to achieve any real progress in his NBA career. Whoever they are that influence him in following any other area than basketball (Turkish domestic politics included.)
If he can't do that quite soon he will most likely end up being another Kosta Koufos... Kanter could have been a player earning $10+m a year.

 

[NAOS]

"sepanol" has given me the impression the person writing that would be Spanish or related...

My personal view, Kanter should "get rid of" the people around him, in order to achieve any real progress in his NBA career. Whoever they are that influence him in following any other area than basketball (Turkish domestic politics included.)
If he can't do that quite soon he will most likely end up being another Kosta Koufos... Kanter could have been a player earning $10+m a year.

Koufos has had a better career. So far, at least.

 

[sepanol]

doesn't take a genius to realize that Kanter and Favors cant co-exist. You can't keep trying something that has not worked at all...

saw last year the mighty chris kaymen dominating enes kanter hardcore.

why is that so? i think they can definitely co exist in terms of basketball. if you are talking about financial issues thats something else

 

[sepanol]

"sepanol" has given me the impression the person writing that would be Spanish or related...

My personal view, Kanter should "get rid of" the people around him, in order to achieve any real progress in his NBA career. Whoever they are that influence him in following any other area than basketball (Turkish domestic politics included.)
If he can't do that quite soon he will most likely end up being another Kosta Koufos... Kanter could have been a player earning $10+m a year.

i am impressed, that was a good guess, sepanol is modification of espanol indeed but i am pure turkish
plus thats a good call about kanter, i agree people around him and the society he is included in ( politically very contrary to current turkish government) hurts him a lot. he didnt even come to national team because of that reasons.

i just dont think enes is a bad player, he is indeed very good. he just get clumsy sometimes, and i am sure he will make a good come back, just the thing is he is still very below my expectations, and i doubt he will every become franchise player as i thought. i think that would have been much bettr for him to come to nba when he is mentally settled. he came as a kid and he got carried away with flashy atmosphere starting from year he passed with kentucky. Anyway this year we will see how far he can go, if his contract year not gonna be his breakout year, then which year will?

 

[sepanol]

Ohh and you are a kanter homer in the worst way. Quit pretending.

I am right you have always been wrong. Kanter sucks.

You are not right yet , its been only 2 games, we got 80 more. You are just a basketball noob who would be happy his team loses by his hated players poor performance just to be RIGhT!

You got an ugly ego, ugly nick and ugly thinking.

Why dont you just go and write about baseball, or maybe ice hockey or something. Basketball doesnt seem like a good fit for you.

 

[sepanol]

I am not mad. Just eating popcorn and watching you melt down.

I dont like your name. Vermin got an ugly meaning. I will call you Nermin anymore. It is a cool turkish name for females. Especially housewives.