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It's Official: Mormon Founder Joseph Smith had up to 40 wives

What's the point of starting a religion if you're not going to drown in *****?
 
Joe smitty be pimpin
 
My wife had a great(I can't remember how many greats) grandfather that was with the Mormons from before they came to Utah. He kept a diary that her grandmother had. She printed off a copy for every family member. I'm not really big on LDS history but I started to read it one night out of boredom. It was insane.

One night(IIRC they were in Missouri at the time) a bunch of dudes tied up some mormons, whipped them, and abducted some women. Her ancestor was part of a group of militia men that chased them off.

He also talked about polygamy. He said that Joseph Smith gave a speech about it in the center of Nauvoo next to some fountain or something. He obviously had a crisis of faith over it for a while. Later his wife suggested that he should marry her sister. She felt that it was better that her sister be a member of their family than someone else's and that if he was to have a second wife she could deal with it better if it was someone she already loved.

Unfortunately my wives copy was lost in a move. We need to remember to try and get another copy from her family. It was one of the most fascinating things I have ever read.
 
My wife had a great(I can't remember how many greats) grandfather that was with the Mormons from before they came to Utah. He kept a diary that her grandmother had. She printed off a copy for every family member. I'm not really big on LDS history but I started to read it one night out of boredom. It was insane.

One night(IIRC they were in Missouri at the time) a bunch of dudes tied up some mormons, whipped them, and abducted some women. Her ancestor was part of a group of militia men that chased them off.

He also talked about polygamy. He said that Joseph Smith gave a speech about it in the center of Nauvoo next to some fountain or something. He obviously had a crisis of faith over it for a while. Later his wife suggested that he should marry her sister. She felt that it was better that her sister be a member of their family than someone else's and that if he was to have a second wife she could deal with it better if it was someone she already loved.

Unfortunately my wives copy was lost in a move. We need to remember to try and get another copy from her family. It was one of the most fascinating things I have ever read.

Dude...can I have one? That sounds awesome.
 
Is this news? I thought most of this was common knowledge.

Its not news to many that he was a polygamist. It is news to a lot of people that he had a wife as young as 14 years old. It is also news to most that some of his wives he took were already married to his close friends. Those two facts are very alarming for people.

A lot of this news to me makes being a Mormon more black and white for people. I think it might strengthen active Mormons into their religion, and cause people who are okay with Mormons but not apart of it or less active and nonchalant Mormons away from it and causing them to disassociate from Mormonism.
 
I have known this since I was 12 years old, thought this was common knowledge as well.

I think one piece of information that adds to this befuddled mess is that there is no indication any of these relationships had sexual components.
 
I have known this since I was 12 years old, thought this was common knowledge as well.

I think one piece of information that adds to this befuddled mess is that there is no indication any of these relationships had sexual components.

huh?

the article states that he PROBABLY did not have sexual intimacy with ALL of his wives because some were "sealed" for the after-life - - but that certainly implies that he DID have a sexual relationship with a number of them
 
I just mean... What is the probability of Joseph Smith impregnating Emma Smith 8 or 9 times and impregnating his other 39 wives 0 times? I imagine that if each relationship also had a sexual aspect it would be extremely unlikely.
 
Who cares?

A lot of people, particularly on this forum, do.

Apperantly not. Another fantastic thread though, bro. You forgot the part where Smith was a lawman and abused his powers on some random, innocent, and unarmed* black kid.

It's news to a lot of people. Whether they were in denial or just tricked is another story. Both my parents held him in the highest esteem.

If you bothered reading the news (rather, anything besides the daily gossip clips from liberal websites), you'd have read about this crap weeks, and maybe even months ago. It was the church who started publishing the info in the first place, so I'm not really sure how/why this is getting your flaps in a tangle.

Also, if your parents really lose their "esteem" for him because of this... Well, let's just say that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and you're a ****ing moron, so...

Holy ****! Joseph Smith wasn't perfect?! This is some Earth shattering stuff.




*no fairy's were killed due to using this term in a sarcastic manner.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/...-had-up-to-40-wives.html?smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0

The Church has done far more good in my life than bad, though I don't practice as faithfully as I used to when I was a kid. I wonder how disheartened people will be by this article's revelation.

This isn't a revelation. It's been well known (to me, at least, and many others) since at least 1997, with the publication of In Sacred Loneliness by Todd Compton. https://www.amazon.com/In-Sacred-Loneliness-Plural-Joseph/dp/156085085X. And this list on Wikipedia has existed at least since 2008 (and probably for a longer time in another article before it was given its own topic): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joseph_Smith's_wives

What is new, I suppose, is that the church is officially acknowledging it as opposed to ignoring it.

I do note, however, that being sealed to someone wasn't necessarily the same as having marital relations (i.e. sex) with them. To me it seems the number of women to whom he was actually married to (i.e. through plural marriage) and having marital relations with is far smaller than the list of "wives" on the Wikipedia article, which more properly indicates sealings. Considering the fact that they had no birth control back then, if he had marital relations with that many women, it would seem likely that at least SOME of them would have had children. And as you can see from the Wikipedia article, DNA testing has not yet confirmed any children of Joseph Smith with anyone other than Emma. So, my own beliefs are that he only entered into plural marriage with some smaller number, perhaps around 10. Not that that really matters--if you believe he was a prophet, than you likely also believe he received the authority and command to enter into polygamous relationships and the exact number probably doesn't impact your faith much. And if you don't believe he was a prophet, well then the exact number probably isn't important to you either.
 
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