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His minutes were doubled and he doubled his production. Shocking.
He went from being a high-energy role player (17 mins/per) to a starter (32 mins/per). He also became a legitimate 3-PT threat. Sure his minutes doubled, but he shot almost 4x as many 3's and increased his accuracy from 29% to 36%. I'd call that a break out season.

I know we all wanted him back, but I think very few believed he could be that kind of a starter. And I don't think he would have without the tutelage of Quin Snyder.
 
He went from being a high-energy role player (17 mins/per) to a starter (32 mins/per). He also became a legitimate 3-PT threat. Sure his minutes doubled, but he shot almost 4x as many 3's and increased his accuracy from 29% to 36%. I'd call that a break out season.

I know we all wanted him back, but I think very few believed he could be that kind of a starter. And I don't think he would have without the tutelage of Quin Snyder.
Good info as well.

We all loved jyd. He should have been kept
 
Kanter can't be resigned to a reasonable contract. He is already making $6M this year, wants much more than that for the next. He's the only client of a shady agent who makes decisions for Kanter since a long time. But let's face it. Long, strong big with soft touch and tons of upside. Someone will pay him double figures. What to do now? Well, it's tough for both the FO and the CS. To me he cannot be a part of the Jazz going forward unless he breaks out and proves he's able to produce on a consistent basis. Which is like 10% probability at this point.
 
I also want to clarify that;

this is the best you can get out of Booker,

&

this is the worst you can get out of Kanter.

Facts are facts.
 
What happened to those stats? Hint, they turned upside down...

w/ Kanter: ORtg: 114.9, DRtg: 109.7, NetRtg: +5.2 in 119 minutes.

w/ Booker: ORtg: 113.0, DRtg: 118.5, NetRtg: -5.5 in 37 minutes.

Funny thing is our D with Trevor is worse.

One other funny thing is(although is just 21 min) when you change Dante and Trey in our starting lineup our DefRtg is 82.9, to be fair our offense get's worse(94.8) but our NetRtg is 11.9
 
What happened to those stats? Hint, they turned upside down...

w/ Kanter: ORtg: 114.9, DRtg: 109.7, NetRtg: +5.2 in 119 minutes.

w/ Booker: ORtg: 113.0, DRtg: 118.5, NetRtg: -5.5 in 37 minutes.

Funny thing is our D with Trevor is worse.

One other funny thing is(although is just 21 min) when you change Dante and Trey in our starting lineup our DefRtg is 82.9, to be fair our offense get's worse(94.8) but our NetRtg is 11.9
LOL.
still, EK is the odd man out. It is his destiny, you know.
 
Sorry to be a buzzkill, but there are zero valid statistical conclusions you can draw from this data regarding Kanter or Booker's affect on the Jazz. There are lots of confounding variables here, most of which cannot be controlled for and no attempt to control the ones that could be.
 
Booker can not defend anyone, I always told you. He is looking aggressiv playing defense, making some impact plays, but thats about it.
 
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Booker can not defend anyone, I always told you. He is looking aggressiv playing defense, making some impact plays, but thats about it.

This is true. He doesn't seem like a very good defender thus far, but he has shown the ability to make defensive plays.

Kanter just sucks on defense and lacks the ability to make defensive plays.

Kanter's midrange has been money lately though and he has gone to work in the post when given the opportunity. I still get a feeling when I watch him that he has to be near flawless on the offensive end to make up for his defensive woes, especially when teams decide to bully Kanter with PNR.

All our bigs are rebounding super lazy too. We don't box out the shot blockers man ever and our bigs are regularly losing 50/50 rebounds.
 
Kanter just sucks on defense and lacks the ability to make defensive plays.

He is showing some improvements lately.
Had two blocks against Indiana. The first on a PnR against the ballhandler (Trey didn't even try to defend) and the other one against Scola 1on1.
And had one block and one steal the oter night. The block was 1on1 againt Millsap and the steal was on a hard hedge.

Don't get me wrong he is nowhere close to the defender we need but I believe in Dr. Q! He'll make Enes a baller.
 
This is true. He doesn't seem like a very good defender thus far, but he has shown the ability to make defensive plays.

Kanter just sucks on defense and lacks the ability to make defensive plays.

Kanter's midrange has been money lately though and he has gone to work in the post when given the opportunity. I still get a feeling when I watch him that he has to be near flawless on the offensive end to make up for his defensive woes, especially when teams decide to bully Kanter with PNR.

All our bigs are rebounding super lazy too. We don't box out the shot blockers man ever and our bigs are regularly losing 50/50 rebounds.

Rebounding is a big issue. For sure.

Kanter was totally passable on defense last night. It was weird. He looked fine. I think he can become passable on a consistent basis if he has better perimeter defenders in front of him -- with length, and tenacity getting over screens. (And he'll have Favors or Rudy behind him). Alec needs to be much better (and/or go back to being a sixth man), and Trey needs a new team.
 
This is true. He doesn't seem like a very good defender thus far, but he has shown the ability to make defensive plays.

Kanter just sucks on defense and lacks the ability to make defensive plays.

Kanter's midrange has been money lately though and he has gone to work in the post when given the opportunity. I still get a feeling when I watch him that he has to be near flawless on the offensive end to make up for his defensive woes, especially when teams decide to bully Kanter with PNR.

All our bigs are rebounding super lazy too. We don't box out the shot blockers man ever and our bigs are regularly losing 50/50 rebounds.

I aggre that Kanter is doing stupid things defensively, so he looks worse, but numbers don´t lie, tho. Passing, thats the only skill Booker is ahead of Kanter I can think of. Kanter and Booker have both 50 % at DFG% and Booker is playing a lot of time against bench players. Also D-Rating is better right now with Kanter on the court. And I do not really like these kind of stats, because some people used them often against the greatness of BIG-AL, or to blame all negativity on the court happened to Enes Kanter last year...



-Kanter made a mistake loosing to much weight, he had elite strength with 19 years of age and right know after 3 years he is battling against Bigs with 240 pounds or something. He ist still very strong, but with losing weight he has to adapt on a much different style of play, especially when it comes to rebounding the ball. He is not the bull, he was back then. He also lacks aggressiveness, he had in his first two years of his career. Its´s probably something mental, he has not the mental strenght Big-AL had. Dude just gave a **** and took his shots, winning games for the Jazz.

-Favors is a mystery, so Iam not able to find out what his problem is. He has elite athletisizim, good size and weights like 268 pounds. He still struggles battling bigger Guys in the post and is not looking as strong, as he should be on the court. Sometimes he is like a beast rebounding the ball, the other day he is just absolutely lazy... So, I think that Favors is a PF, not a center in this league. His scoring punch is underrated and I think that he has potential hitting from mid range. He is a very good perimeter defender, he is also very good at taking guards when they are attacking the basket.



I still like to look into the glass half full. I do not know about the future and which position each of our young Bigs will play later in their career. I think it´s huge for both guys, playing a position they are less comfortable with, to learn the versatility of the game. We all know that Favors wants to play PF, normally. I think that Kanter will be better playing the Center position... Quin will help Kanter learning this game, increase hich Jumpshot ability and range. I like how Quin is giving him the oppurtuinity on the court playing his game free. Driving inside and taking 3 point shots... Also letting Enes take these inbounds pass are an educational thing I really appreciate. Learning different aspects of the game, is something he is forced to learn after the weight los. This can help his game for the long term, if he decides 2-3 years later to add more weight into his body and play the 5 position again.

I just hope that everything goes well for the Jazz and AL can return one day, to get some championchips into this town...
 
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We need Favors to rebound better. Plain and simple. Don't even get me started on Enes-- he has literally zero excuse not to be averaging 10 a game.

Pathetic rebounding. Easily the biggest issue of this time right now.
 
We need Favors to rebound better. Plain and simple. Don't even get me started on Enes-- he has literally zero excuse not to be averaging 10 a game.

Pathetic rebounding. Easily the biggest issue of this time right now.

Big-AL always grabbed 10 a game... ;) And some people called him soft, because of AL refusing to hurt his opponents. (See sig)
 
One thing positive about Kanter in all the negatives is his FG % in my opinion. He scores at 54% so far despite now he takes 1.7 threes per game as well. He has also improved his free throw shooting up to 86%(he goes to the line less though).
 
I want Kanter to kick *** and take names.
I want him to grab a minimum of 10 rpg.
Then I want him to go and marry that Malone daughter. They will have future Utah Jazz babies!
 
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