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Police Power and Racial Tensions in Ferguson, Missouri

HighlandHomie said:
Just stop. No one is calling YOU racist. Defending Nixon, Wilson or quite frankly anyone affiliated with law enforcement in that county/state is going to make you look really stupid when the truth comes to light.

Do some googling of Anon/KKK/Ferguson/Missouri and what's come to light in the last couple weeks.
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Your posts are bordering on the asinine now. I won't google about that last sentence as I already accounted for them in post 556. Part of the reason I am glad that the Gov. was proactive here. Also no where in the post you quoted, or the several before that, did I ever imply or reference any attack agaisnt me. Let alone one based on racism.

I don't have to wait for you to look foolish as you have all along.
 
Stoked said:
Your posts are bordering on the asinine now. I won't google about that last sentence as I already accounted for them in post 556. Part of the reason I am glad that the Gov. was proactive here. Also no where in the post you quoted, or the several before that, did I ever imply or reference any attack agaisnt me. Let alone one based on racism.

I don't have to wait for you to look foolish as you have all along.
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You're too dense to understand what I write. Regardless, there is NO reason to assume the protesters will be violent. They never have been. They've only been attacked by the police. Those who looted weren't part of the organized protest. Gov. Nixon is a vile, racist, corrupt piece of **** and that's the bottom line.
 
HighlandHomie said:
Just an audio clip of Gov. Nixon bumbling like an idiot. Has nothing to do with news.
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Are you making the argument that if a person has a moment of idiocy that they are always that way?

Also only reason Gov. Walker came up is that One Brow went after him for, in my eyes, a very reasonable precaustion.

Edit: Futher proof that the DailyKOS is driven by a biased agenda.
 
Stoked said:
Your post seems to imply that the problems behind this anger are fixable by the time the decision on wether to charge the officer is released. We both know that the issues and reasons behind this anger will take this nation years, decades, of concerted effort to "fix". Hope it was not intentional to imply that one gov. can fix this whole issue so easily.

In the meantime the Gov. absolutely has a responsibility to protect his citizens and their property. Having the National Guard ready is absolutely the right move. These protests have to some degree been subverted by elements looking to cause trouble, on both sides of the issue. It has already proven, repeatedly, to flare up into violence. Both sides are to blame for that. SHould the Gov. ignore that very realist posibility? Pffft

This post smacks of extreme bias to me. Sad to see. Also nowhere did you point out that in that order the Ferguson police are removed froom policing any protests and riots that might occur as a result of the verdict.
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I appreciate that is the decision of one governor over one incident, but it is also the continuing decision from many governors over many decades, as well.

Agreeing that the city needs to be protected from riots that are not happening right now doesn't bring out your best side.
 
One Brow said:
I appreciate that is the decision of one governor over one incident, but it is also the continuing decision from many governors over many decades, as well.

Agreeing that the city needs to be protected from riots that are not happening right now doesn't bring out your best side.
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Discounting the proven tendency of this specific case, and the general issue over the years, to escalate to violence and pan this in the fashion you have (implications of racist motivations) does not bring out yours either.

It is an intentionally narrow minded view from one biased stand point and frankly you are better than that.

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I mean the Gov. even has the FBI telling him that violence is probable.

"The announcement of the grand jury’s decision … will likely be exploited by some individuals to justify threats and attacks against law enforcement and critical infrastructure". That is what the FBI released to the press.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...d-in-advance-of-ferguson-grand-jury-decision/

Also as referenced groups like the KKK and others looking to subvert the protests for their own ends.
 
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Stoked said:
Discounting the proven tendency of this specific case, and the general issue over the years, to escalate to violence and pan this in the fashion you have (implications of racist motivations) does not bring out yours either.
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There is no general tendency to riot; riots are few and far between compared to provocations to which they are attributed. For every Michael Brown there are dozens of others who don't even get recognized with a peaceful protest; for every cop whose clearing results in a riot (such as Briseno, Koon, Powell, and Wind), there are dozens of others routinely cleared.

As for this specific case, we have already discussed ad nauseum the various provocations by the police leading up to the rioting.

Stoked said:
I mean the Gov. even has the FBI telling him that violence is probable.
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Your Post link credits ABC with breaking the story.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi...olence-extremist-protesters/story?id=26980624

The FBI bulletin expresses concern only over those who would exploit peaceful protests, not the masses of demonstrators who will want to legitimately, lawfully and collectively express their views on the grand jury’s decision.
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So, no note in the FBI memo of rioters, but of a few individuals seeking to take advantage. That's a state of emergency?

Do you think the next time we have birthers protest the President in Washington, we'll need to declare a state of emergency?
 
The local authorities in Ferguson MO over-reacted and used excessive force in their dealings with what were initially peaceful protests after the killing of Michael Brown. This over-reaction by the police department is in large part responsible for creating the volatile situation that resulted.

I'm not sure what I think about the governor calling out the National Guard. I do agree with One Brow that is is a shame that the governor (and many others) takes such a dim view of his fellow citizens that all he can see is that they are likely to become violent.

Quite honestly, I haven't been following any of this to know whether there are appeals for calm or appeals to instigate mayhem in the wake of the announcement of the Grand Jury's decision. I have no idea what sort of dialogue has been taking place about any of this.

I do think, however, that if there is evidence of outside agitators in Ferguson waiting to stir up trouble, then it might be prudent to be prepared for mayhem. Hopefully the National Guard, if called into action, will not be as out-of-control as the police force was in the initial aftermath of the shooting.
 
HighlandHomie said:
You're too dense to understand what I write. Regardless, there is NO reason to assume the protesters will be violent. They never have been. They've only been attacked by the police. Those who looted weren't part of the organized protest. Gov. Nixon is a vile, racist, corrupt piece of **** and that's the bottom line.
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To the ignore bin your worthless troll/alt self goes.
 
moevillini said:
The local authorities in Ferguson MO over-reacted and used excessive force in their dealings with what were initially peaceful protests after the killing of Michael Brown. This over-reaction by the police department is in large part responsible for creating the volatile situation that resulted.

I'm not sure what I think about the governor calling out the National Guard. I do agree with One Brow that is is a shame that the governor (and many others) takes such a dim view of his fellow citizens that all he can see is that they are likely to become violent.

Quite honestly, I haven't been following any of this to know whether there are appeals for calm or appeals to instigate mayhem in the wake of the announcement of the Grand Jury's decision. I have no idea what sort of dialogue has been taking place about any of this.

I do think, however, that if there is evidence of outside agitators in Ferguson waiting to stir up trouble, then it might be prudent to be prepared for mayhem. Hopefully the National Guard, if called into action, will not be as out-of-control as the police force was in the initial aftermath of the shooting.
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I agree that the police reacted with an very heavy hand. Much heavier than necessary imo.

However I see the Gov. as taken a reasonable precaution becuase there is and continues to be evidence of "outside agitators", such as the KKK and Anonymous groups, as you put it looking for a chance to cause trouble.

Such as the rioting that was done against many protestors wishes before.

It is about more than just this Govs. view of his citizens. It is also about his view of the potential for those fromt he outside coming in looking to cause some damage.

I agree in your wish that if the National Guard does have to take action that it is with some restraint.
 
moevillini said:
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Seems like good advice for everyone
 
moevillini said:
I do think, however, that if there is evidence of outside agitators in Ferguson waiting to stir up trouble, then it might be prudent to be prepared for mayhem. Hopefully the National Guard, if called into action, will not be as out-of-control as the police force was in the initial aftermath of the shooting.
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Pretty much any time I listen to the news, they are talking about the discussion with local leaders to keep the protests peaceful.

Currently, the National Guard is slotted to only be in support roles (at least, according to Mayor Slay of St. Louis), leaving the front-line work to police.
 
Honestly, if Brown was fighting with the officer, then I have no sympathy. He was seen acting like a thug immediately before the incident, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe he was mostly to blame for the situation. My mind isn't made up, but this doesn't seem to be the obvious abuse of power some are making it out to be.
 
freakazoid said:
Honestly, if Brown was fighting with the officer, then I have no sympathy. He was seen acting like a thug immediately before the incident, so I don't think it's much of a stretch to believe he was mostly to blame for the situation. My mind isn't made up, but this doesn't seem to be the obvious abuse of power some are making it out to be.
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For how long after such a fight does the officer have the right to shoot him with impunity, in your opinion?
 
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