Yup.
Gun Control
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Yup.
What stops you from getting on the list in New York?
My claim is that I can't see any reason your claim is valid. If you can find a way to support your claim, I'll reconsider.
Sorry, "not" should not be there in reference to New York.
As for you reconsidering it. To be honest I am not really conserned if you do or not. I have those rights, see them as rights and will not give them up.
Hantlers
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People are evil. As long as people are evil (and they always will be), then no matter what laws we have, crime will still happen. It would be nice if all these politicians would stop politicizing the Newtown shooting though. They don't care about those families, they just want to pass their laws that won't do anything but make people feel better.
Yes, that I have a gun.
If I use it responsibly, why does anyone need to know that I have one?
Regarding all the recent suggestions, they are a knee jerk reaction to Sandy Hook. Guess what? None the recent suggestion would have prevented Sandy Hook so what's the point?
I just heard an interview on NPR with Senator Coburn of Oklahoma. He stated flatly that most sales at gun shows are private sales, not subject to background checks under current law. He is proposing a law where potential buyers must prove they are not on the nix list to potential sellers.
I have no idea how guns shows are in OK, but here in Utahr, that just isn't the case.
Aside from gun shows; There are many private sellers (internet, etc.) that require a CCW (which requires a thorough background check by the Utah BCI) to make a transaction. This is a smart move, IMO.
won't even do that.
it is an irrational appeasement of an ignorant mob, which said ignorant mob will go on demanding more and more appeasement based on their own "superior values". They are themselves lawless and will recognize no boundaries to their insatiable desire to impose their "feel good impulses" randomly on anyone who seems somehow out of step with their views of how everyone should be. This is the antithesis of individual rights, and the epitome of mob rule.
In the absence of an incipient world government with stated principles and intent to disarm the general population while retaining police arms and military arms negotiated by its unelected fascist directorate, I might see how a free society could regulate personal weapons to achieve some level of general "comfort" without excessive accidental and criminal misuse of weapons. But unwinding History back to the roots of human existence is a successive demonstration that it's not just guns, but tomahawks, crossbows, spears, clubs, and even rocks. . . . every sort of tool that ever gave one man a "leg up" in a fight. . . . . People will resort to force when a government loses authority or respect, or when any force is arrayed against them, individually or collectively. And it is intuitively obvious that every person has an equal right to life, and hence an equal right to weapons. . . . . unless you really just believe some people should be "superior" to others . . . . .
The one thing the UN stated objective does is remove, absolutely, the right of human beings to contest state force.
This observation is hard to understand next to the statement I made above, except in the fact that tyrants often find mobs useful tools/fools. So you have to go to the roots of the controversy, and look for any signs that someone is acting to incite a public outcry or issue in a way that is producing some kind of "mob" mentality.
In this context, I look at some of the posters in this forum who started out with polarizing comments bordering on hate or calling for unlawful harm/retribution, as being "useful idiots" more than reasoned, responsible people. Some right-wingnuts deal with things just as ignorantly and just as stupidly.. .. . . . but the fact that I challenge anyone to refute is the fact of today's very influential and very wealthy folks ( and specifically those who are all on board with the UN stated objective) being big pushers for new gun legislation at this time.
The one thing the UN stated objective does is remove, absolutely, the right of human beings to contest state force.
This observation is hard to understand next to the statement I made above, except in the fact that tyrants often find mobs useful tools/fools. So you have to go to the roots of the controversy, and look for any signs that someone is acting to incite a public outcry or issue in a way that is producing some kind of "mob" mentality.
In this context, I look at some of the posters in this forum who started out with polarizing comments bordering on hate or calling for unlawful harm/retribution, as being "useful idiots" more than reasoned, responsible people. Some right-wingnuts deal with things just as ignorantly and just as stupidly.. .. . . . but the fact that I challenge anyone to refute is the fact of today's very influential and very wealthy folks ( and specifically those who are all on board with the UN stated objective) being big pushers for new gun legislation at this time.
The Black Swordsman
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https://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
Harvard paper:
"Where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest."
Harvard paper:
"Where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest."
Too many people seem to be far too trigger-happy and far too irresponsible in the care and use of the guns they own. But hopefully natural selection will take care of that problem.
So yeah, the problem will eventually solve itself!
In the meantime, let's all speak with as much hyperbole as we can muster.
(see what I did there?)
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-nordstrom-gun-met-20141205-story.html
I'm not sure how anything here proves she filed a false report of a stolen gun, and I'm not sure why the charge for that would be disorderly conduct, but what do I know? Not much, apparently.
But I am glad that sufficient records existed to trace the gun's ownership.
I'm not sure how anything here proves she filed a false report of a stolen gun, and I'm not sure why the charge for that would be disorderly conduct, but what do I know? Not much, apparently.
But I am glad that sufficient records existed to trace the gun's ownership.
The problem with Gameface is that he wasn't doing hyperbole. To be "hyperbole" the idea has to be a statement in excess of fact, not an understatement.
The fact is, most of us are in a state of comparative ignorance about agendas or political motives, and we think we can just be reasonable and have sensible lives of our choosing. Political agendas by definition are an attempt to stampede the human herd into unreasonable fears and acceptance of specific political power grabs.
hyperbole usually doesn't include qualifiers in generalities like "sometimes" or "often" nor quantifiers like "some" or "most". Even your "hyperbole" has qualifiers, quantifiers and such. . . . "too many", "too. . . . happy", "too irresponsible".
You need more practice, and an expert teacher. I'm the ultimate over-qualified Hyperbole Czar. I give lessons frequently.
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Dictators and other thieves don't want you to have guns while they're asserting possession of your stuff or doing away with your life. (this is a generality. . . . do you know any exceptions to the rule?)
Political idealists are dupes Dictators love, and fools thieves look for. (unsupported by data, and possibly wrong. . . a statement suspicious of hyperbole. . . . but show me one dictator, or one thief, who has ever made a campaign in support of gun rights as a human right)
Darkside Cops plan their arrests and other operations with an eye to achieving "kills" on the job, in order to cause civil turmoil, so obviously we need to hire rent-a-mob protesters hand-picked by the same political operatives who organize cells of "darkside cops". The objective is to disarm the public, and eventually declare martial law and suspend elections. The political pluses of such tactics are that politicians achieve more power over the folks, who will vote for and accept and obey more government authority over life on the streets.
The politicians can then vote themselves more pay and perks, and their bureaucratic minions can hire more "help" and get bigger trucks, and personal arsenals for "self-protection". The babes will adoringly follow, and life wil be plush and lush.
Sometimes I wish I could actually do hyperbole when talking about the evils of our government.
Political idealists are dupes Dictators love, and fools thieves look for. (unsupported by data, and possibly wrong. . . a statement suspicious of hyperbole. . . . but show me one dictator, or one thief, who has ever made a campaign in support of gun rights as a human right)
Darkside Cops plan their arrests and other operations with an eye to achieving "kills" on the job, in order to cause civil turmoil, so obviously we need to hire rent-a-mob protesters hand-picked by the same political operatives who organize cells of "darkside cops". The objective is to disarm the public, and eventually declare martial law and suspend elections. The political pluses of such tactics are that politicians achieve more power over the folks, who will vote for and accept and obey more government authority over life on the streets.
The politicians can then vote themselves more pay and perks, and their bureaucratic minions can hire more "help" and get bigger trucks, and personal arsenals for "self-protection". The babes will adoringly follow, and life wil be plush and lush.
Sometimes I wish I could actually do hyperbole when talking about the evils of our government.
Based on what?
Nah, I'm pretty sure he was.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loc...s-Suspect-Who-Tried-to-Rob-Him-284642891.html
Video the suspect before the shooting can be found here:
https://www.groopie.tv/watch/ln1wG
Video the suspect before the shooting can be found here:
https://www.groopie.tv/watch/ln1wG